99 for the purpose of thinking through things lets try a Q&I. If you have 2 fish bag of which only one can be Coho, how many would fish on after getting a Coho? How many would turn loose a Coho to get 2 Chum? Looking to CM's post, what would the Coho encounter rate on natural Coho increase with 2 fish bag with Chum? How is this different than C&R on Chinook, bay and inriver? I could go on but I think the point is made. Within the numbers game in the model are assumptions built in on historical facts and staff perceptions. That WDFW uses more than one standard is true. Ocean, bay, and inriver mortalities are viewed differently as it just depends on who, where, and which staffer addresses the issue. We all have our views based on our experiences but in modeling assumptions perception has a tendency to be reguarded as reality.