Salmo g. The 5000d and 4000d are the the direct drive models they are rare and command top dollar for one in good shape.You can find them on Ebay from mint still in the box to thrashed and every where in between.The 5000c ABU are not as rear they made Millions of them they go for about 50.00 for one in decent shape.

[This message has been edited by Bill (edited 01-21-2001).]