If want a long rod for a 4 weight, proably best to stay at 9.5 foot. And good advice on bringing a heavier rod for windy conditions. Especialy on open rivers like the Madison, Bighorn, Yellowstone, etc., etc. In canyon rivers the wind can come and go. Also for fishing the bigger flys like big weighted stones and sculpins, and if you are fishing early in the year when the water is higher. For rods check out the Anglers Workshop in Woodland WA. Their web site is, www.anglersworkshop.com . Good luck, and dont forget the softhackles (tan, grey, lt green) killer! thanks.