well just like to put my 2 bits in, i was at the OE on the 7th and bought a new ambassador 6500 c4, the guy keep bringing up the price like I wasn't able to afford it or something very upsetting to me. I went ahead and purchased the reel althought i felt that I shouldn't have. I usually get my fishing gear at the toutle fly shop because of the good deals and good gear. I will never again shop at OE.