Owner needle point is also hard to beat, My friend is a sales Rep for Vision and you can't beat the price for the barrel swivels and snap swivels, seem to be the best I have found, But I think the hooks are brittle, The Owner needle point has the same style point as the gammie, And just as sharp, But half the price as the Owner cutting point 1.50 for 10 hooks at Sportco.. have a good one.