Stadle...as long as you bring your wallet you're welcome to fish the Vedder anytime you please, and youre definately right about guys stacking up close to their cars...that's the beautiful thing about the Vedder, if you don't mind walking you can fish alone.Just joking about the gear... I fish a 1263 GL3 also, with an old Seldex. How far up the canyon were you fishing....the up and over or "ironman"?

Matt