No hard feelings Osprey, I understand how sensitive this subject is and always will be. You right about the state they don't always use better judgement and that is all the more reason for us to get past our difference's and find a way to be heard before it's to late. Sport fisherman are never going to agree on everything, that is a given. But I do believe that we all want our childern and grand childern to enjoy our sport for many years to come. That is what we ALL have in common.