I've been using the 3/0 black octo's for my nightin' and I've lost 4 kings out of the 20+ caught in those few trips.

1 40+
0 30's
a buttload of teens and 20+'s

The fish were lost = 1 that was too much for my line capacity. 1 sawed me off. And 2 were foul-hooked.

I did not break a hook. The last hooks I have broken were 2 gammies on springers.

Hooks break, hooks dull, etc. That's part of fishing. I know I have had no probs. fishing Visions and if I did, Joe is about as an approachable guy as any so I don't think customer service is an issue.

But when you compare apples to oranges, you can't draw too many conclusions so give them a try, and use the right hook for the right conditions.