Kid Sauk, Thanks for the offer but I think I'll stick with what I have confidence in, the reason I didn't try any of the remaining hooks was because I was worried there would be others with defects I couldn't see, when half of my seasons earnings are tips I don't like to have to explain to a guy why his king just busted a hook. I'm sure 90% of those hooks are good, its the other 10% that concerned me. In 11 yrs. I haven't broke any Gami's and only straigtened a couple both on big halibut. Thanks again but I'm happy with the Gami's.