Rob Z. ChecK out St.Croix. They make a 13'rod for about 400.00. I figured it out once I would be put out about 600.00 bucks if I wanted to get started out that way. I've been tempted to do that but my wife said she would leave if I bought one more fly rod. But being as old as I am, Jim S. I don't think that I will miss her.