Any body interested in learning to spey cast and/or improve their casting techique, I would encourage to contact the folks at Avid Angler in Lake Forest Park. (North of Seattle) They offer a Spey casting class lasting 4 hours with Sage rep George Cook. Cost: $60.00 Date: Mid-Febuary 02 Some equipment supplied if you don't have an outfit yet. May help you make a decision of what could work for you. Good class. You can rent Videos ie: Mike Maxwell, Derek Brown, or Rio's International Spey casting, but there is no substitute for being critiqued by an experienced caster who can evaluate your particular application and make suggestions to improve your skills. Cheaper alternative? Ply your Speycasting buddy with beer until he complies, but then again he might not be worth a damn the next morning. Oh well...