I use a white/glow hoochie no more than 22" behind a green/glow Hot Spot charged up with a camera flash bulb. I also add a little Mikes Herring Oil (extra strength) on to the Hot Spot just for kicks. If the hoochie is not working than I work a 4.0 green/silver or blue/silver Coyote spoon behind the Hot Spot at 22"