I here what your saying Breezer, my old eastside drifter was built about 10 miles from my home and it's capeable of going horizontal on the heavy flow rivers or shall I say this oarsman can take it across. Ive been to Lavro sereral times, I helped a friend get into a top of the line boat from there several years ago. Is what I'm looking for is one that is durable in all type class water in the Northwest area. Not that I'm a thrill seeker but just looking for a well built boat that fits my various fishing styles and be able to get where I want to fish and get back safelty. Great input from all, thanks.