I have yet to use the siwash, but have nothing buut good things to say about their other hooks. But what I don't understand is why you would ever start a post like this? Since you are (or were) a QA guy, then you'd know aboout a manufacturing process. I do assume you know they are a new company. Of course it's a trial and error scenerio when you're talking about new products. It takes time to get it right, as GMAn saiid in his post. To me, it seems llike there must be more. Iif there was a post touting the high quality of Vision Siwash, then I can understand a response. But to blatantly start a thread to tell what junk they are and to use Gami's is curious (especiially when you know they'l refund your $$, or shall I say your buddy's $$). They can't fix a problem unless they get feedback, but to try and discredit them online is a bit "infantile". I dislike quite a few products out there, but I don't go on a rampage and start threads about it. I show it by not buying it (or I'l but my .02 in when someone says they're perfect). You could've had a bad batch. I've experienced same thing on Siwashes over the years with aboout EVERY hook mnufacturer I used. Uusually iit was eitheer 1. a bad batch or 2. a desiign flaw that needed to be corrected. I've lost many a fish over the years for many different reasons. So to put your scenerio up is a bit lame. Stuff happens, malfunctions happen, it's a part of the game. The key is to go to Joe and get your refund and quit flaming. I'm afraid to tell you through all your exquisiite speaking, all you did was flam, flame, and flame. Have stock iin Gami? Gami pro staffer? Jjust seems odd to me. Hhey, maybe I should start a whitewaterign thread on Outcast? Hmmmmm, may just have to do that. I have tons of products over the years that were junk, I could fill up one whole page of the forum list, may just have to go do that.