This won't be easy, but I'm going to try and fish out your comments from mine so that I can respond to them:

"I phrased this in the form of a question intentionally. Because I am questioning the quality of the product, hoping to solicit opinions from fishermen (not salesmen) who have had experience, any experience with the product. To indicate that my mind was not yet made up. I was hoping people would tell me I am wrong and why. Unfortunately the response I received went deeper than that, didn't it?? I did not call the company Shyte nor any of the individuals, I did question their motives, which is appropriate given their inherent bias toward the company.

If we had realized that you were not, in fact, asking a rhetorical question then we would have ended this whole diatribe early and told you that this whole thing was your imagination, and that Vision products aren't "totally worthless".

Bad luck, **it happens...yes...Am I not entitled to an opinion?? Am I not entitled to advise other fishermen of a bad experience?? Isn't this what a BB is all about??

Certainly you are entitled to an option. However, with your own admission that Gammi's have problems (arguably just like Vision does) and you suggest them over Vision it brought your credibility to question. If they both have problems, then why suggest either? Buy Owner, VMC, or whatever.

My point here is that we all need to consider bias in this equation. I have none, I use what is available to me.
The respondents to my thread were for the most part people with a vested interest in the company. This is a position of inherent bias and it is in their best interest to make me look like a total idiot so that no one takes my post seriously. I will not allow this happen. I appreciate their efforts to rectify the situation and have said so repeatedly, I am just not interested in receiving more potentially faulty hooks, period.

To my knowledge there are three "employees" of Vision that post here: Joe, Rock n Roe, and parker. The rest have no vested interest, other than they use a bunch of the hooks that you question and have no problems whatsoever.

Not looking for blood at all. In fact I challenge you to refute this statement as anything other than "true"

Certainly they don't want bad press. That's why they tried to turn it around to good press by offering to take care of the situation. I just felt like you were suggesting that the negative publicity was a tool.

What you are calling "flames" I am calling my opinion. I did not use superlatives, hyperbole or exageration to express that opinion so I take issue with your characterization of my post as a "flame"...

And your opinion was a flame, in my opinion. Aren't opinions fun?

Is it possible that your thoughts may have been 'influenced' by working with such a great group of guys? I think its rather obvious that they have, given the veracity with which you are willing to defend them against "ninnies" like myself...If I were such a ninny you could just let my ignorance speak for itself...not the case though is it?

Sure it's possible, but you are assuming that they weren't a pain in the ass to work with and that I'm not capable of having an opinion of a product outside of my working relationships.

What I saw in your post and subsequent rebuttals was someone who dissed an entire product line based upon a bad batch of hooks, and a product line backed by a group of stand-up guys who back the product 100%. While I don't go through the thousands of hooks that others have claimed, I can tell you that their hooks have worked great for me. Do they have QA problems? Quite possibly. But knowing that they stand behind their product 110% tells me that they are a good COMPANY. And that right there is what I like about them.

I'm done with this thread, and this topic.

[EDIT] Damn, forgot to preview. Missed one stinking carriage return.

Thanks for reminding me that I suck. :p
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