I agree....I fish Owner cutting points for salmon in the salt as well as steelhead and salmon in the rivers. They are mechanically sharpened and are very strong. To get an idea of how they cut, push the tip of a hook through a peice of thick paper (like a business card) and you will notice a "T" shaped hole. They penetrate better than any hook I've used. AND they certainly don't break like a Gamakatsu. Another good (less expensive) hook to try is the VMC conecut straight point. The straight point allows for a lager hook gap on a smaller sized hook which is better for drift fishing by allowing a better presentation. The hook gap on a 1/0 is roughly the same as a standard beak/octopus style 2/0. Good luck.