"Snake river steelhead runs are in fact as healthy as ever."

I only said steelhead, guys

And check the numbers from the last three years against historical, pre-dam numbers....I am right. Yes, these are artificially supplemented numbers, but the fish are coming back, non the less. Most every run of fish everywhere on the West coast is hatchery supplemented. So what? It's reality, we have to live with our past mistakes, and move on.

The same goes for dams. Are our rivers better without them....absolutely. But, they aren't going anywhere, and they obviously are not the main cause of anadramous fish return declines, so deal with past mistakes and deal with it.

And my feeling is no, their is absolutely no excuse for dams built without fish passage. Gand Coulee, huge mistake. ALL of the Snake River dams in Hells Canyon, no fish ladders. The Elwha dams.......no excuse. The good thing is, hopefully, we've learned our lesson, and now we move on....