Yeah, you don't need expensive if you don't plan to tie alot. You can buy a thompson knockoff from Cabela's really cheap. I had mine for about 20 years before I bought my Griffin, then upgraded FAST to a Barracuda. LOL.

But email me if you want to get setup. I can set you up with a pretty good setup if you need it. Plus lead you into the right directions on vises depending on where you plan to go with them tyingwise. Plus, can show you to tie as well. No sweat at all. Where on the KP are you at? May be able to hookup, or have you over to learn to tie as well.