Grandpa, fair points all. Right now, I can do nothing about the way the Treaty tribes harvest their fish. However, just because I can't right one wrong doesn't mean I can't right another. As I said in another thread if we can save 400 or 4000 or even 40,000 wild steelhead by selective harvest restrictions, then it is worth it to me. And I do believe that the average fisherman can be taught to tell an unmarked hatchery fish. After all, we do require fishermen to differentiate between the species of salmon. Some do not or can not, but most do, I believe. In most fights, waiting for the "other side" to do the right thing prior to you doing the right thing just leads to stalemate. And that's where we are now.