Okay, I've held my tongue for long enough (everybody keeps giving me funny looks anyway ) There is so much to agree with and disagree with even in the same post. Logging practices have been beaten to death on this board and yes, I will say that I am bitter over what the logging practices of the 19th and 20th centuries have done to our National Forests and the rivers that run through them. Those criminals (unconvicted) are the real environmental extrimists. But, on to GW - I can see reasons why people support Bush, I don't agree with them but the conservative politics of Bush do appeal to a large part of the population. But, please do not insult my intelligence - this Administrations environmental policies are not good for fish, all the available, good science has proven it to me. Support him if you must, but listen to Salmo - his words are truth.