If you're trying to say that NMFS is now NOAA, I knew that! But somehow the word NMFS, pimps, and wimps all seem to fit the same shoe!
You are, however, making my point about the two possible responses by ODFW...if there are wild fish to protect (like they say there are in the Cowlitz, whether there are or not), then one of the possibilities is to cut hatchery production to protect them, especially, as in Oregon, if the mere presence of the hatchery fish is why the wild fish are threatened with de-listing.
Hello!!!!
What in the devil to think they are doing now Todd???
I don't mean to argue that the run of "wild" fish in the Cowlitz is bogus or not, I personally don't see how many wild fish could be left after the netting, incredibly intense sport fishing, dams, and all the other habitat destruction there.
I will use what you like to use, science…It is a fact! They are bogus! And when I say it's a fact, you know that I have already done my homework.
1. The courts say if wild fish and hatchery are the same stock, then there is no reason not to use both wild fish and hatchery fish in the Cowlitz for recovery! That means that "any winter stock" steelhead from the Cowlitz hatchery can be used in the upper Cowlitz for natural production and for fish passage "triggers" to put fish ladders over the dams!
Now all wild fish people support that one!
2. Tacoma Power doesn't want to "protect the fish" they just want to create the restrictions, so they don't have to pay to produce the hatchery fish! You know that Todd!
("3. a. NOAA/TP cut hatchery production in the Cowlitz to protect the "wild" run.")
3 That's all Bull $hit and you know it! See answer # above 2
"ODFW has to cut the hatcheries to protect the wild fish, because if they don't, then the fish lose their ESA protection, and so does their habitat."
If those fish are all from the same stock that's all BS too! But a bunch of environmental people may not be needed, and be looking for a new job soon
The very thing you are battling on the Cowlitz will likely happen in Oregon with their coho. To protect wild fish, hatchery production may go down.
You're dead wrong Todd!
There is no reason why wild fish and hatchery fish can not co-exist in this day and age! You know it, I know, and maybe someday PIMPS, I mean NMSF, no, I mean NOAA will know it too. It takes a balance between both man and fish, and that is what we are now seeing.
PS... Todd, I have never ever seen you post so much about nothing! It couldn't be some kind of distracter now ...could it
Could this be "damage control" ...?
Did I take the bait?
Not to worry, I have lots more!
Cowlitzfisherman
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