I'm pretty sure that Jerry and Bob have a darn good grasp on what goes on here and I'm personally thankful that they allow debate on these devisive topics.

I'm even more thankfuo that they allow me to post my thoughts when they are in many cases in direct opposition to their own.

My advice is to just ignore posts designed to arrouse antagonism and personallity conflicts. Get Grandpa to make you a nice foil reflector hat and stick to the issues.