bank fishing: on smaller rivers i use 4'-6' on larger rivers like the cowlitz i use at least 8' & lees than 12' i have found the 10' leader to be the best & for those of you who have just got to use the term flossing, it doesn't work unless you jerk, if you just let it drift rarely will you foul hook a steelie (old black king boots in the tail out is a different story): stop by BC or barrier dam, i'm easy to find, (i'm guy carrying my limit out): none of which were foul hooked...

my hypothesis is that since you have to use big honking weights 1 - 2 oz from the bank on the cowlitz, i believe the farther you can get you bait away from the weight the better off you are...

from a boat: 2' - 4'