I drive up with the kids to Tokul creek at the Snoqualmie every now and again in the winter to watch the fisasco . We just sit in the truck and watch for a while . They all wade out and stand on top of each other and float jigs. If your timing is off you screw up the whole deal. Last Jan. I watched two guys get into a beef over crossing lines is all I can figure . One guy heads for shore the other fishes for a bit longer with the guy on shore jawing at him the whole time. The guy fishing heads for shore and throws a hay maker and drops the other guy. He layed there for a while lips up and the other guy left. A few guys walked over to see if he was ok.