Neal M, thanks for saying something decent about V hawks endeavor. Im beginning to think that some people here inspite of all they have done are just full of themselves. Not picking on anyone here, but remember that a fly line is just a very long leader. V hawk, i wont make it today, seems i have a funeral service to go to. Older i get, the fuller my plate gets. For those worryed about enforcement, know that the wardens are really there this year, day before yesterday, saw four uniformed officers, yesterday, none, but assume they saw me, sneaky they are, and i like it. Its fun to find out you have been fishing next to a warden all day, ha ha