Blue water,
Do you think it wise that we ask for UN approval for doing what is in our best interest. If you think that the UN holds our best interest at heart, you are sadly mistaken. I am not saying that they are always against us, just that they are not necessarily for us. If we were attacked by another country, would you wait for UN approval. Of course not. So when Sadaam was shooting at our planes, we should have taken the 911 sympathies and just did what we felt need to be done. All this, of course, hinges on my original thought, that, we went in because Israel was pissed off. I can't prove it, but it seems reasonable to me. Yeah Israel is is more pissed off at the palestinians, but that is a different story. They are pretty much powerless unless someone like sadaam starts giving them money and weapons. And, no, Israel did not threaten to use nukes, they don't need to. What I was saying was that If Israel decides to attack an enemy, the general fear is that others will get involved. Who is the real question. Lets say Israel attacks Iraq. Jihadists from all around start joining in, probably Syria and Jordan, perhaps the Saudis - and if nukes start falling, perhaps China or Russia. I have little doubt that if it does start getting out of hand, Israel will not restrain themselves at risk of losing their country. With Israel, there is no chance the enemy will rebuild your country. As Iran has said, the goal is complete annihalation. Israel can laugh at them because they know they hold the key to complete destruction in the region, not their enemies. As long as that is the case, they feel fairly safe. The second they do not, they take steps to remedy it, as they did recently in Syria. This is the reason we care so much about Iran getting nuclear weapons. Not because they will attack us, but because they will attack Israel, or just as likely, Israel themselves will put a stop to it. We, agian, are scared to death to let Israel do it because of the potention of escalating warfare. RIght or wrong does not matter. It is what it is. Israel is not going away without turning the desert to glass. As long as the US feels it needs oil from the region, we are not going to leave.
Vince, you keep talking about the lies but not ignore my arguement that we went in for other reasons. Perhaps you feel it is so ridiculous you don't have to even address it. If so, say so. I hope that our government intelligence never gets so transparent that the American people are able to know every detail about our foreign policy. Rather, I hope we can elect officals that we trust to decipher such information and take care of problems without putting us at risk. The fact that congress has voted for the war and has not yet removed Bush may be the indication that there is more to the story then we know.
Oh yeah, and as for sneaking in weapons,
1. I was talking about chemical weapons, which I believe he did have at one time, and may have buried, shipped away, or actually destroy. Most likely he did destroy them and then waffled on whether he did or didn't to provoke us and look tough. The next best thing to having a weapon is to have people think you have it.
2. If we really wanted to find nuclear weapons, we could have slipped in parts from the supposedly missing Russian supply.
Who knows, in the end I am using a lot of hypothesis to support the war. I realize this. I also realize I probably only know a tiny portion of the true story, whatever it may be. Hopefully a lot will become more apparant by the positions the next president takes. Now it is up to us to elect a president and congress that we trust. Unfortunately, since I don't particularly trust any of the candidates, that doesn't leave me much hope that anyone else will either.