Keith, when the old man gets home, he doesn't want to wait for his dinner and I'm not about to make him. Clams were on last nights menu. Try to keep up.

WDFW puts out numbers all the time that you guys never agree with. That's fisheries for you. I believe the substance of what Gary claims. Why? Because;

Region 5 lied about the possible ramifications to wild steelhead when they asked for an impact increase from 2% to 6% so commercials could net more with their tangle nets. Region 5 has a reputation for doing things in favor of the commercials and not fish conservation, including finding ways to get commercials on the water to fish under cover of darkness with nearly no observation. No, not so they can harvest more, but so their impacts go unchecked! If it's Region 5 we're talking about, I'd believe just about anything. I saw Todd rant and rave about what liars they were. But now, they aren't. SO rolling eyes here!

ODFW held an ocean season for listed Oregon Coastal coho last year so commercials could have a season out there.

NOAA F approved chum fishing on listed summer chum for what, 4 seasons now?

It's all about getting salmon/eggs to market, not saving fish.

As far as this being about Gary, it's only about Gary for a select few people who can't seem to GET OVER IT. Todd was attacking CCA long before he jumped on the Gary Loomis/Cedar Creek story. Myself and others asked TODD several dozen times to prove his assertions. He never could. Now he's finally got something that is a result of an exxageration.

BFD. Now he has a few converts. Again, BFD.