Actually, I really like PP. It's the most religious of any of the steelhead boards. Several folks like gohardley are the High Priests of the Holier Than Thou, Most Self Righteous Church of the Progressive Movement. This Holier Than Thou, Most Self Righteous Church doesn't exist anywhere else, except in right wing Evangelical Churches (think Jimmy, Tammi and all those other good folk). I only come here for the spiritual fulfillment that I find.