We usually fish the 1/8 oz. size. And we usually cast downstream across river and just close the bail and drift the swing with it. Either no reeling or reel just enough to keep the blade turning. But yesterday he walked up to the top of the pool and tossed it in and just held it in the current in the middle of the hole(very small hole below logs at metzler) and bam. As long as the blade turns, that is usually fast enough of a retrieve.