Thanks for the info. I have done a lot of research and I know about the budget poles. If I can't find a good used one in my budget I will look at the Shimano Clarus or St. Croix WR. I was just hoping I can get a step better for around the same money.

I already have my reel grin I got a sweet deal on a Pflueger Supreme
8235MGX. Use Pflueger on most of my trout rods and never had a prob with them.