The disussion has taken an a turn in the wrong direction. It's gone from a hook debate to a fish-landing debate.

The way I see is this. Guides who boondog use ass-loads of hooks. I fish with Sean Orr quite a bit, and he literally has lawn & leaf sized garbage bags of pre-tied leaders ready. That's a TON of hooks. Superfly says Sean uses Visions, and the the sheer number of hooks he goes through, I can see why. I've never had a problem with his hooks, always tacky-sharp.

I personally don't go through 1/10th the hooks he does, so it's not a bank-breaker for me to shell out for Gammies. If Vision gets their QC problems worked out, I might start using them, but I get the feeling that the associated costs of getting the QC to an acceptable level may bring the price of Vision's a little closer to that of Gammies.

As for the rest of the stuff about numbers hooked/landed, just know that guides and their clients do hook many more fish than most guys ever do, so they have a pretty good feel for the gear they use. Not to say that some of us don't land lots of fish, but most of us don't head to the river with 6 rods and hundreds of leaders ready to go.

Anyway, maybe we should spare the BB the posts calling BS. If you feel a guy may be stroking himself, just thinking he's full of it is good enough. Posting a response saying so just gets everybody riled up.


Fish on..........