Joe warned me about the rage 510 but I got it anyways... It's a great line but it does land awkward sometimes even with polyleaders. I still like the line though. I've almost got it figured out and usually only get the quirly q's once out of 7-8 casts. Polyleaders are absolutely needed though or it'll do it dam near everytime. I've been using the intermediate polyleader even when using top water skaters/poppers. Works great.