Originally Posted By: Katmai Guy
Have been told cost of a Sub is about 76% of MSRP. Try to pay $1000 over this and your getting a great deal. Started looking last week for a rig for the wife and she's leaning Outback, not sure if that makes her a lesbian though, hope not.


I'm sure that's about right on cost vs. MSRP. From what I'm seeing, MSRP on a base model is about 26K, 75% of which would be about 19.5K, +1,000 = $20.5K. Best price I've been offered so far is about $24K. Granted, I've done no haggling yet, but I'd be shocked if anyone could get below about $23K right now. The reason? There are currently ZERO 2015 Outbacks available within 100 miles of Olympia, and the 2016s are already on back-order at several dealerships. In other words, they're not struggling to sell Outbacks.

It's the same with Toyota trucks. If you want one, your price will end up somewhere right around "dealer invoice," which is actually code for "how much the dealer wants to get." This is one case where you can get up to walk away from a price negotiation and have the salesman tell you not to let the door hit you in the azz on your way out.

In a way, it's a chitty situation. On the other hand, cars don't become that popular by being chitty. No shame in paying a "no hassle" price for such cars.