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#1012046 - 07/22/19 09:21 PM Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED [Re: Chinook 1]
Larry B Offline
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Originally Posted By: Chinook 1
Larry B. I don't think i said anything about changing the Boldt decision. I was merely saying that a win by the Hamilton Brothers. Could hamper the open meeting policy. Resulting in the tribes unwillingness to participate in the NOF meeting.


You are right - you didn't say anything about Boldt but your posts did clearly state we could be off the water which would seem to be contrary to Boldt. Now, if the State were to win it is my belief that nothing changes; status quo prevails and we continue to lick the spoon as you described it.

If, however, the State loses and NOF must be open or the State cannot legally participate that could take us back to several years ago when, without an agreement, NOAA/NMFS could not/did not issue a permit. There has been lots of speculation of what might occur to include the possibility of the State actually taking the promised action of initiating a request for its own permit. Risks? You bet. Possible long term benefits for the State and particularly its recreational salmon fishers? Absolutely.
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#1012056 - 07/23/19 08:48 AM Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED [Re: Bay wolf]
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Larry B. I agree we are all speculating the out come of a court case that is far from over. I'd say that a positive out come is all we can hope for a this point. My two cents.


Edited by Chinook 1 (07/23/19 08:50 AM)

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#1012061 - 07/23/19 09:40 AM Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED [Re: Bay wolf]
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It will be interesting to see how the dynamics change IF Jim Anderson gets his appointment to the commission. Having done some digging on this guy, it seem's pretty clear the reason he got the position (over someone who is extremely well qualified) is his relationship with the Tribes and the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission.

I wonder what the play is here, given the lawsuits. He certainly is an advocate for Tribal/Commercial fisheries, so is he being brought in to start working on a solution should the State lose?
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#1012083 - 07/23/19 11:33 PM Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED [Re: Bay wolf]
Chinook 1 Offline
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Registered: 03/14/18
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Bay Wolf. It look like the two new commissioners will be on the Wolf committee to start out. Putting Jim Anderson on the fish committee probably isn't the best move at this point in time,but i definitely see him there in the future.


Edited by Chinook 1 (07/23/19 11:34 PM)

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#1012085 - 07/24/19 07:10 AM Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED [Re: Bay wolf]
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Registered: 11/21/07
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If WDFW loses the lawsuits, there is nothing the Commission can do about it because the suits are about violating State Law. Change (allowing the continuation of secrecy) would have to come from the Legislature.

The Commission's role, should they accept it (like the old Mission Impossible intro), would be to ensure the agency comply with whatever the law is. That would likely require a Director of the Week until somebody finally changes the culture.

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#1012537 - 08/05/19 09:11 AM Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED [Re: Bay wolf]
Backtrollin Offline
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Registered: 10/18/07
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Loc: Duvall, WA
Has the subpoena happened? Anybody have any results?

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#1012538 - 08/05/19 09:56 AM Re: WDFW LAWSUIT: RULES COORD. SCOTT BIRD SUBPOENAED [Re: Backtrollin]
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There are a number of legal steps that do not happen instantly. Things are hanging around discovery at the present if I recall correctly.
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