#1020158 - 01/15/20 10:24 AM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 08/12/13
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Loc: Arlington, Washington
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That's convenient for them. I guess we should all be greatful that we had one last full season on the Skagit. I'm sure they will leave all of the coastal rivers open though.
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#1020163 - 01/15/20 11:45 AM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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My Waders are Moist
Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3440
Loc: PNW
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Last two weekends a guy from Chilliwack BC was at my chosen fishing spot on the Nooksack an hour before first light because the fishing is so lousy and crowded up there. If fishermen from Chilliwack choose the Nooksack over the Vedder, and are posting up in their spot way before daylight, we steelhead fishers are surely fukt.
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#1020164 - 01/15/20 11:49 AM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
Registered: 01/27/15
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Yup congrats.
Wild fish all the way fern feelers.
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#1020165 - 01/15/20 12:14 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/20/08
Posts: 299
Loc: Lewis Co via Bham
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From a population standpoint on the Skagit, there isn't much difference between 3,999 and 4,000. It's schitty.
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#1020167 - 01/15/20 12:31 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1388
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I assume their will be absolutely zero nets in the river then. Right?
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#1020174 - 01/15/20 03:36 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7437
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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How about "bycatch" in the Baker sockeye fishery?
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#1020175 - 01/15/20 04:25 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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My Waders are Moist
Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3440
Loc: PNW
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Yup congrats.
Wild fish all the way fern feelers. How would more hatchery fish keep the river open in March and April?
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#1020178 - 01/15/20 04:34 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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37 projected fish? And I thought our fish management in Cali was fked up. Wait ,it is. 37 fish
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#1020208 - 01/16/20 11:39 AM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
Registered: 01/27/15
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Yup congrats.
Wild fish all the way fern feelers. How would more hatchery fish keep the river open in March and April? Fill the rivers with fish and then fish on them. or scientifically support the excuses not to.
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#1020212 - 01/16/20 12:26 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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The Chosen One
Registered: 02/09/00
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Loc: Tuleville
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Fill the rivers with fish and then fish on them. Maybe you missed the memo. We DID fill the fivers with fish. They left as babies, went out to sea, and never came back as 2-salt fish. Some 3-salt and 4-salt fish are coming back...but 2-salts seem to be gone. Downside: Fewer fish to be caught Upside: If you do get one, it will be probably be a good quality large fish. The other memo coming out seems to indicate the wild component is having returning issues as well. This has nothing to do with wild/hatchery steelhead and management practices. Has everything to do with climate change (natural or human made) and how it's effecting our oceans and the critters in it.
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#1020230 - 01/16/20 02:49 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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Got the memo. Change Tee Pees.
Plant more white-man.
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#1020233 - 01/16/20 03:29 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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Shooting Instructor for hire
Registered: 10/26/10
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Loc: Snohomish, WA
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Anyone want to buy some nice fishing rods?
Why does golf have to suck so badly and be so boring?
I could always take up bird watching.
OH JOY!
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#1020234 - 01/16/20 03:30 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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Registered: 03/08/99
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I am no fisheries biologist but I can read and understand data. And make a fairly well thought out analysis of coincidence and causation. Parker is absolutely right, the more fish we have put out into the ecosystem, the less that returned. Partially this is because of generalized ocean conditions (which are likely not going to get better in the short term), partially it is because salmon and steelhead are one of the top predators in the ocean but they must depend on growing rapidly in order to attain that status. More fish, same amount of feed = smaller salmon & steelhead. Smaller salmon and steelhead = more predation on them. We want the easy solution, make more fish. It's a fool's paradise....
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#1020237 - 01/16/20 03:53 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7437
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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Natural resource management has been strongly siloed across the board for a long time. Development doesn't hurt fish. Making lakes multi-species is fine. Harvesting everything at MSY doesn't affect anything else.
I believe, based on information my colleagues share, that the whole damn Pacific ecosystem (terrestrial and aquatic) is setting up to collapse. The information has been there for decades; it seems that we have reached some sort of tipping point that is being pushed by climate change. But, without CC we would still be facing issues.
For too long, for example, the ocean was a "Back Box". Poor returns-bad conditions. Good returns-good conditions. But never seemed to actually try to determine what those conditions were. Same with food chains. We kept harvesting all levels, and mutual declines kept it all in some sort of balance.
Then, we protected some apex predators, they increased, and (oh my gawd) they ate more.
While it was pretty well established that the declines in adult salmon size were (30s-90s) fishery related there were a couple of exceptions. It was rather well recognized that the bigger the pink run (at least Fraser) the smaller the individual fish. Even then, we had the information that food out there wasn't limitless.
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#1020238 - 01/16/20 03:55 PM
Re: Skagit Steelhead Season
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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