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#1026874 - 03/25/20 07:44 PM Washington closed to fishing
deadly Offline
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The WDFW just closed down fishing and shellfishing in Washington state for a minimum of 2 weeks starting tonight at midnight.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/covid-19-updates


Edited by deadly (03/25/20 07:46 PM)

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#1026890 - 03/25/20 08:46 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
cohoangler Offline
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Registered: 12/29/99
Posts: 1527
Loc: Vancouver, Washington
Yes, but only recreational fishing. Commercial fishing continues on. I noticed that the WDFW announcements omitted this detail.......

I'm very tolerant of WDFW but this one really hits a sore spot.

I have an emailed copy of the letter from WDFW to the Gov outlining this. But I'm not sure how to upload it so the folks on this BB can see it. Any help would be appreciated.
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#1026904 - 03/26/20 08:34 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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The powers that be got just what they wanted all along, recs off the water. No more "Nuisance Steelheaders" to deal with. Commercials and tribes still fishing under the guise of food providers. I see the NW Derby Series got their biggest front end derbies in. Imagine that! No new WA fishing license for me & my family. OR fisheries, other than the CR, remain open. With my time off OR here I come.
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#1026907 - 03/26/20 09:23 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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I'm buying an out of state Oregon license and will NOT be buying a Washington license this year. This is the last time I'm going to be f*#&!/ by the WDFW.
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#1026908 - 03/26/20 09:26 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Salmo g. Offline
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Dang! And I just ordered my new fishing license online two days ago, thinking I'd need it during the first week of April.

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#1026924 - 03/26/20 12:38 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Bay wolf Offline
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Registered: 10/26/12
Posts: 1062
Loc: Graham, WA
IF YOU THINK A TEMPORARY FISHING CLOSURE IS BAD...JUST WAIT!


It's amazing to see all the anger and outrage because fishing is closed on a temporary basis for sport fishermen. Tribes are sovereign nations and DO NOT have to follow the State rules. They can fish if they want.

Sportsmen and Women are outraged about the temporary closure, but don't think about the closures that have been increasing every year for the past several years as a result of the tribes having leverage over WDFW in the secret North of Falcon Meetings.

YOU WILL EVENTUALY SEE PERMINANT CLOSURES FOR RECREATIONAL ANGLERS VERY NEAR IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE HARVEST AGREEMENTS ARE IN SECRET. LIKE THE FROG IN THE POT OF COLD WATER...WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING AND WILL SOON BOIL TO DEATH.

Last night at the WDFW Teleconference outlining Puget sound fisheries, WDFW said, "we still need to figure this all out with the Co-managers"

WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS? THEY DO THIS BEHIND LOCK DOORS, AND IF THE TRIBES WON'T AGREE, THEY WALK OUT OR STALL AND WE DON'T GET ANY PERMITS!

And yet, not a single person bothered to call in and voice a concern about it. NOT A SINGLE PERSON!

So, a temporary closure is upsetting. But where is the outrage about the slow and methodical reduction we see every year...with the goal, ultimately to take recreational fishermen off the water completely?

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#1026957 - 03/26/20 05:58 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Bay wolf Offline
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Registered: 10/26/12
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Loc: Graham, WA
Just in case you guys up north see someone out fishing.

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#1026965 - 03/26/20 07:45 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Bay wolf]
JustBecause Offline
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Registered: 07/18/08
Posts: 209
I wish you would quit co-opting every G-damned turn of events into some rational for you to keep banging this freakin’ drum!

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#1026967 - 03/26/20 07:54 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: JustBecause]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: JustBecause
I wish you would quit co-opting every G-damned turn of events into some rational for you to keep banging this freakin’ drum!


How is he co-opting ?
Banging what drum ?

Please explain why you have a problem with this information?

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#1026968 - 03/26/20 07:58 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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#1026969 - 03/26/20 07:58 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
JustBecause Offline
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Registered: 07/18/08
Posts: 209
What drum?! Have you not read any of this forum for like the last 5 f’n years?!

This particular closure is related to the pandemic, not the freakin’ co-management!

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#1026970 - 03/26/20 08:08 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: JustBecause]
Priority2 Offline
Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: JustBecause
What drum?! Have you not read any of this forum for like the last 5 f’n years?!

This particular closure is related to the pandemic, not the freakin’ co-management!


Make sure you add "in my personal biased opinion"
To the end of ALL of your statements!

One of the safest places to be right now is on your boat or on a river or lake. Have you seen people standing together in groups fishing?
I have seen them standing in a single file line outside of the pot shop, at the grocery store, etc.

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#1026971 - 03/26/20 08:31 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
riverdick Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 05/10/09
Posts: 113
Loc: around the next bend
Where do we submit for forgone opertunity?

Will my license be prorated for losses opportunity since I bought it with the understanding that I would be able to fish 365 days + FEB29th of my 2019-2020 season?

All this aside we all need to make sacrifices to rid this global epidemic!

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#1026987 - 03/26/20 11:19 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
NickD90 Offline
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Registered: 10/26/10
Posts: 6202
Loc: Snohomish, WA
Guided trips down the crik or salty 6 packs violate what we are trying to accomplish here. Lots of sickly dudes driving all over the state and spreading it out on the OP & Coast is not an optimal situation. Motels, restaurants, gas stations & guides. They have small hospitals, limited staff, beds and provisions - both PPE and food. WDFW Officers, EMT's & local LE in harms way. Consuming valuable resources unnecessarily and needlessly. For what? This is bigger than any hobby and yes it sucks for everyone. I was supposed to be out there for 4 days right now - but guess what I'm doing?

#stayingthefvckhome.

Seriously. Just let some Tribes & Cowboys fish. Who cares? If they get sick because they can't abide, then oh well - more future fish for us.

Fishing for fun is the about the last thing we should be focusing on right now. I really don't care about anyone's hurt fees fees because they can't catch little fishies in their cute boaties. Go sew a mask for a nurse.

I'm not gonna sit here in my house for as long as it takes - doing my part to flatten the societal curve, just so some selfish, greedy jerks can galivant around with their little fishy rods and ruin it for everyone else. No different than Springbreakers in my mind. Me, me, me. So yeah, grow up and #staythefvckhome.


Edited by NickD90 (03/26/20 11:21 PM)
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#1026988 - 03/26/20 11:36 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Nick you are completely correct in your analogy of how selfish acts will prolong this domino effect. Every response to a recreational first- aid situation takes away from precious and needed medical supplies at this point. It’s not forever, but the faster “everyone” is on board, the faster we get back to life. Not the most popular opinion I’m sure but it’s what makes sense, to me. Be safe everyone.
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#1026993 - 03/27/20 06:04 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Really?
If you want to fish your a cowboy?
One size does not fit all!
Social distancing of 6 feet is a common sense directive.
Go ahead and go fishing and keep your distance... simple!
You can go jogging, shoot hoops, go to the pot shop, play tennis, etc.
But dont go fishing! So Stupid!

A salty 6 pack? a guided trip down the crik? Causing havoc?
So people that like to fish dont have common sense.... ok

If your truley worried about covid-19 transmission focus on all the homeless congregating together. Traveling up and down international boulevard from Seattle to Tacoma... you know the homeless crisis that there is no rhyme or reason for except for the liberal logic that created it! With the best economy in decades, lowest unemployment, we have a homless crisis?
I should say homless industry worth hundreds of millions $$
Let's not talk about that on the local news.....


Edited by Priority2 (03/27/20 06:41 AM)

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#1026994 - 03/27/20 07:59 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Loc: Snohomish, WA
You are missing the point entirely and thus part of the problem. It's attitudes like your own which cause us to not have nice things.

First, "cowboy" is slang for NT commercial fishermen. They are providing food for the masses (considered an essential job function).

Second, any guided sport boat violates close contact. Can you show me a drift boat that allows for the minimum 6 foot distance? Do you want your favorite guide or captain to get sick? Do you want your friends on board to get sick? Do you want anyone in Forks or Westport to get sick? Those towns can't handle it.

Third, fishing requires enforcement which brings officers into close contact with others. It requires boat launches to be maintained. Restrooms to be cleaned. Buying gas for the boat exposes store workers. Same with food and fishing gear. Motels and maids and desk clerks. You don't exist in a vacuum.

Lastly, parks, trails, campgrounds, beaches are all shut down. Where are many boat launches located? Inside community parks. Who takes care of those parks? Shooting hoops? C'mon.

You are not a unique and special snowflake just because you want to go fishing. The virus doesn't care if you own a home or live under an overpass. No hobby is worth potentially taking the life of others.

The faster everyone gets this through their heads and #staysthefvckhome, the faster we can get through this and back to our normal lives. Don't be selfish and a part of the problem. Be a good citizen to your fellow man and a part of the solution.

Fishing can wait. It'll be OK....I promise.


Edited by NickD90 (03/27/20 08:10 AM)
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#1026995 - 03/27/20 08:03 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: NickD90]
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1045
Originally Posted By: NickD90
Guided trips down the crik or salty 6 packs violate what we are trying to accomplish here. Lots of sickly dudes driving all over the state and spreading it out on the OP & Coast is not an optimal situation. Motels, restaurants, gas stations & guides. They have small hospitals, limited staff, beds and provisions - both PPE and food. WDFW Officers, EMT's & local LE in harms way. Consuming valuable resources unnecessarily and needlessly. For what? This is bigger than any hobby and yes it sucks for everyone. I was supposed to be out there for 4 days right now - but guess what I'm doing?

#stayingthefvckhome.

Seriously. Just let some Tribes & Cowboys fish. Who cares? If they get sick because they can't abide, then oh well - more future fish for us.

Fishing for fun is the about the last thing we should be focusing on right now. I really don't care about anyone's hurt fees fees because they can't catch little fishies in their cute boaties. Go sew a mask for a nurse.

I'm not gonna sit here in my house for as long as it takes - doing my part to flatten the societal curve, just so some selfish, greedy jerks can galivant around with their little fishy rods and ruin it for everyone else. No different than Springbreakers in my mind. Me, me, me. So yeah, grow up and #staythefvckhome.


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#1027006 - 03/27/20 09:26 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: NickD90]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: NickD90
You are missing the point entirely and thus part of the problem. It's attitudes like your own which cause us to not have nice things.

First, "cowboy" is slang for NT commercial fishermen. They are providing food for the masses (considered an essential job function).

Second, any guided sport boat violates close contact. Can you show me a drift boat that allows for the minimum 6 foot distance? Do you want your favorite guide or captain to get sick? Do you want your friends on board to get sick? Do you want anyone in Forks or Westport to get sick? Those towns can't handle it.

Third, fishing requires enforcement which brings officers into close contact with others. It requires boat launches to be maintained. Restrooms to be cleaned. Buying gas for the boat exposes store workers. Same with food and fishing gear. Motels and maids and desk clerks. You don't exist in a vacuum.

Lastly, parks, trails, campgrounds, beaches are all shut down. Where are many boat launches located? Inside community parks. Who takes care of those parks? Shooting hoops? C'mon.

You are not a unique and special snowflake just because you want to go fishing. The virus doesn't care if you own a home or live under an overpass. No hobby is worth potentially taking the life of others.

The faster everyone gets this through their heads and #staysthefvckhome, the faster we can get through this and back to our normal lives. Don't be selfish and a part of the problem. Be a good citizen to your fellow man and a part of the solution.

Fishing can wait. It'll be OK....I promise.


Absolutely NOT missing your point! Your narrow vision is the problem.
Comen sense.... if a fishing trip violates the close contact order then dont do it Da... you trust people to go to the hardware store but not go fishing?
.. I never touch anything at boat ramps, I can come and go with no service provided and always do just that... if you follow the guidelines you will be just fine just as if your going to the hardware store, Starbucks, auto parts store. All are considered vital... enforcement can wear masks, gloves, just like the cashier at the grocery.....
Stupid one size fits all mentality... dont assume honest people will break the rules or laws.... kind of speaks volumes on how you think

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#1027009 - 03/27/20 09:38 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Posts: 253
Loc: Brier, WA
I live on a river and I can't even fish off my own property. I find that ridiculous as far as putting anyone at risk of transmitting a virus.

What I'm wondering is if the folks living on golf courses are still allowed to play. Or are golf courses even closed? Anyone know?

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#1027013 - 03/27/20 09:41 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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No - I get it Priority2. You are special and the rules don't apply to you. Sport fishing, like selling food, beverages and new hot water heaters is clearly an essential service. The state, our healthcare systems, most of our population and myself are clearly wrong. You are right so go ahead and pat yourself on the back and head out to the local crick.

Priority2 is a fitting name since all of your priorities are clearly what's most important. I have narrow vision? That's rich, when I'm considering the entire bigger societal picture, including your own loved ones (if you have any). No my friend, it is not I that have "narrow vision". It's you that does and your infantile need to catch a fish when people are dying and more could die because you just had to go galivant around the state for your hobby.

You are making a fantastic first impression on the board. I welcome and look forward to your future compelling & insightful contributions.


Edited by NickD90 (03/27/20 09:54 AM)
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#1027016 - 03/27/20 10:01 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
No, your wrong again!
Big surprise....
I can follow guidelines, rules and laws.
Who deems something essential?
Commercial fishing?
Do we have a shortage of fish? Crab? Actually we do have ESA listed fish being caught and sold for profit.... area 11 did get ravished by tribal crabbers...so I guess there is a shortage smile but I digress.

I know someone in the construction field working on the new emerald queen casino..... no not shut down..
Construction is going strong IF you have influence.....
So take your you group think and shove it forcefully down your proverbial pie hole...

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#1027020 - 03/27/20 10:16 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
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Rumor has it the governor hates fish and fishing.
Something about the smell reminds him of his ol' lady.

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#1027026 - 03/27/20 10:33 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 12879
Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
Rumor has it the governor hates fish and fishing.
Something about the smell reminds him of his ol' lady.


Even though that post is in poor taste, I found myself laughing.

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#1027029 - 03/27/20 10:46 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Loc: Snohomish, WA
P2 - you're an damned selfish idiot. You can follow the law? Doesn't sound like it to me, unless you have a river running through your house and even if you did...the law says all fishing is closed. The law right now, via Governor mandated EO under a SofE is for all non-essential persons to SIP. Period. He makes the list of what that includes - not you. He included sportfishing as he should have. Casinos are closed. Many golf courses are closed and or in the final processes of doing so. Ski resorts are currently taking steps to close. Yacht clubs closed. Bingo halls closed. Libraries, museums, aquariums. Yogo, Pilates, Pickup Hoops, Dance classes. All hobbies of other people. All closed. It's not just your hobby under your truly narrow view. And the great part is that you don't get a say in any of that. None of us do.

Right now, they are not pulling people over or pushing them back inside as a simple, peace keeping common courtesy, even though the law right now allows them to do just that. They are giving normal, mentally well adjusted citizens the benefit of the doubt. For now. Phase 2 goes well beyond politeness, which they will enact because of the selfish idiots like yourself that can't play ball, nor listen to simple instruction because their hobby is more important than our greater society at large.

I'm done having this conversation with you. Have a nice day,
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#1027034 - 03/27/20 11:17 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
The real crime here is someone having a different opinion than you and yours... tribes/Democratic leadership....
You see this is a forum for discussion not for you to lead sheep into your progressive thought process...

I never said I was going fishing..
infact I said the opposite, I follow the rules, laws like 99% of sportsmen.
But with... your my opinion counts more than yours attitude you must have missed that!

You and people like you are the reason we pay for 90% of fisheries but receive 10% of the opportunity...

I say fishing is probably is the safest thing you can do right now, along with hiking, etc.
But your comment of let the commercials and tribes go ahead and fish says volumes...
You see, your mad at me for my opinion but your ok with tribes/commercials doing what your so addimate that citizens dont dare do.. you would think just a little bit of your anger would be directed at them.....
It's not about spreading a virus it's about priorities, and corruption...
If it was about seriously stopping the virus.. construction project's at the emerald queen would halt, commercial fishing would halt.
Now go take your misguided anger and find out why they are allowed to operate!

I'm sure you know the numbers 🤣

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#1027037 - 03/27/20 11:39 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
My guess would be if you can make a phone call.... you can do what ever you want.....

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#1027045 - 03/27/20 01:21 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Progressive thought process? rofl You clearly haven't been around long enough to know my thought process or political affiliation. Cuz' if you had, you'd know that statement is completely asinine, juvenile and revealing.

Tribes are sovereign and do not have to answer to Washington. Period. Commercials provide food to society, just like farmers, ranchers and food MFG's - they are essential. Period. Non-essential commercial construction has been shut down. I'm not advocating for any particular service or industry, as I don't get a say and neither do you or any of us. What we do have say in is our personal behavior and I choose to behave in such a manner that is best for me and for greater society as a whole during a very critical period of time. Even if that does mean forgoing days on the water. Like I said, I should be on a float out in Forks right now. Nobody is happy about it, but that's life and cards we've been dealt. Play those cards how ever you want - I really don't care.
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#1027046 - 03/27/20 01:24 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: ReefSkunk]
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Sometimes I wonder about us folks. This bloody virus transfers by touch and can live three days on plastic, or so I read. Sneezing all that but it is primarily a contact thing. So if infected one could roam through a day and leave a trail that will HARM people. Rural areas are not immune but people pouring out of the urban areas will only make it much much worse and the rural areas do not have the medical facilities to deal with a mass infection.

To be honest all hotels and just everything that would accommodate a person to go from one area to another and stay need to shut down. Fishing, clamming, and other outdoor activities the same. You can be infected and not know , keep six feet, and still leave a trail of carnage in others lives including others losing their lives.

Get over it and stay the hell home and do not travel. More of us will live through this thing that way.


Edited by Rivrguy (03/27/20 01:24 PM)
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#1027051 - 03/27/20 01:52 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Seriously. . .just stay home. This is a team sport and our success (ie. as Americans, humans) will be dependent on how uniformly we can play it. A handful of people going about their business as usual can screw it up for all. Stay the fvck home. Fishin will come back around soon enough, don't put other peoples' lives at risk,

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#1027053 - 03/27/20 02:04 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Rivrguy]
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Originally Posted By: Rivrguy
Sometimes I wonder about us folks. This bloody virus transfers by touch and can live three days on plastic, or so I read. Sneezing all that but it is primarily a contact thing. So if infected one could roam through a day and leave a trail that will HARM people. Rural areas are not immune but people pouring out of the urban areas will only make it much much worse and the rural areas do not have the medical facilities to deal with a mass infection.

To be honest all hotels and just everything that would accommodate a person to go from one area to another and stay need to shut down. Fishing, clamming, and other outdoor activities the same. You can be infected and not know , keep six feet, and still leave a trail of carnage in others lives including others losing their lives.

Get over it and stay the hell home and do not travel. More of us will live through this thing that way.


Bravo! Clearly the message that a lot of people can’t understand. Well done, as people just need to stay home.

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#1027055 - 03/27/20 02:13 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: fishbadger]
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My concern is not this "temporary" closure. I am fine with staying in to not risk infecting people. I have family that is high risk for this virus. My concern is that 6 months from now all ESA and quota monitored fisheries could still be shut down due to social distancing. For me 2 weeks is nothing, 6 months on the other hand is going to be hard to take. If I can't go fishing for 6 months months I might be out in the yard fishing for squirrels or neighborhood cats.

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#1027061 - 03/27/20 02:38 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Brent K]
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Loc: Snohomish, WA
Originally Posted By: Brent K
My concern is not this "temporary" closure. I am fine with staying in to not risk infecting people. I have family that is high risk for this virus. My concern is that 6 months from now all ESA and quota monitored fisheries could still be shut down due to social distancing. For me 2 weeks is nothing, 6 months on the other hand is going to be hard to take. If I can't go fishing for 6 months months I might be out in the yard fishing for squirrels or neighborhood cats.


Agreed - that's why I hope we can get this over and done with ASAP. I want everyone back out and doing what they love...we all do. In the meantime, it sucks and some hard choices get made. IMO - to me, I'd rather trade a little short term pain for long term gain. We'll get a handle on this virus, hopefully sooner rather than later!

My apologies to P2 for being a jerk earlier. My thoughts haven't changed, but by delivery could have been better.
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#1027069 - 03/27/20 03:34 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: NickD90]
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Loc: Arlington, Washington
I have a 10wt fly rod ready to go. I hear cats really like big fluffy flies so I will tie some up on a barbless circle hook. The epic grip and grin before the release could be challenging but I will post up the pics if I get one. Maybe video would better catch the action...

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#1027071 - 03/27/20 03:54 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Brent K]
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Originally Posted By: Brent K
I have a 10wt fly rod ready to go. I hear cats really like big fluffy flies so I will tie some up on a barbless circle hook. The epic grip and grin before the release could be challenging but I will post up the pics if I get one. Maybe video would better catch the action...


Lol.. Catch and cook?

Just kidding.


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#1027072 - 03/27/20 04:04 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: SpoonFed]
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Originally Posted By: SpoonFed
Originally Posted By: Brent K
I have a 10wt fly rod ready to go. I hear cats really like big fluffy flies so I will tie some up on a barbless circle hook. The epic grip and grin before the release could be challenging but I will post up the pics if I get one. Maybe video would better catch the action...


Lol.. Catch and cook?

Just kidding.


Haha!
Now you're going too far!

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#1027074 - 03/27/20 04:18 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Brent K]
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Originally Posted By: Brent K
I have a 10wt fly rod ready to go. I hear cats really like big fluffy flies so I will tie some up on a barbless circle hook. The epic grip and grin before the release could be challenging but I will post up the pics if I get one. Maybe video would better catch the action...

That would be a good fight! Wonder how long until it would roll over and quit?
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#1027077 - 03/27/20 04:34 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: JustBecause]
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Originally Posted By: JustBecause
I wish you would quit co-opting every G-damned turn of events into some rational for you to keep banging this freakin’ drum!


This post speaks volumes....

I wouldnt believe anything that comes out of your mouth...
Dont tell everyone what is going on baywolf....
Let the tribes do what they want more fish for us....
Your so full of $%!t.

For anyone reading this who has an open mind consider this.
There are people who like to post in Hope's of changing hearts and minds.. think like they think behave and take what they give you. Social justice unicorns are nothing new...
No one wants to spread a virus but when you have full on construction happening at the emerald queen, very large project, lots of workers, I know someone working there and they have special permission from the governor Inslee.
Is the virus going to spread? Is it as contagious as they say maybe...
Dipship unicorn thinks if we stopped all sportsmen fishing it will stop the spread of the virus. All the while turning a blind eye to obvious corruption and incompetence.....



Edited by Priority2 (03/27/20 04:50 PM)

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#1027078 - 03/27/20 04:34 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Originally Posted By: deadly
The WDFW just closed down fishing and shellfishing in Washington state for a minimum of 2 weeks starting tonight at midnight.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/covid-19-updates


Where as, Vermont encourages it...

Vermont fishing
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#1027079 - 03/27/20 04:34 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: RUNnGUN]
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Registered: 08/12/13
Posts: 91
Loc: Arlington, Washington
Originally Posted By: RUNnGUN
Originally Posted By: Brent K
I have a 10wt fly rod ready to go. I hear cats really like big fluffy flies so I will tie some up on a barbless circle hook. The epic grip and grin before the release could be challenging but I will post up the pics if I get one. Maybe video would better catch the action...

That would be a good fight! Wonder how long until it would roll over and quit?

Hmm, not sure. They will probably run for cover as soon as you hook them though. Maybe I should up the fly rod weight a size or two for more stopping power.

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#1027083 - 03/27/20 04:57 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Glad to see I am not the only one to think this shutdown is an unesasary over reaction..

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/amp/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

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#1027087 - 03/27/20 05:38 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Corona for all!!! let the strong survive

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#1027089 - 03/27/20 05:46 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
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Originally Posted By: Priority2


If your truley worried about covid-19 transmission focus on all the homeless congregating together.


Are you saying this might "thin the herd?"
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#1027090 - 03/27/20 05:47 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deerlick]
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Originally Posted By: deerlick
Corona for all!!!


Seabass said to put it on his tab.

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#1027112 - 03/27/20 10:31 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Fish for no fish.
Man you guys are desperate.

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#1027113 - 03/27/20 10:34 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
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Originally Posted By: Priority2
Glad to see I am not the only one to think this shutdown is an unesasary over reaction..

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/amp/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s


Your link and you are fd up. Hope you and all your relatives stay safe from your mindset and potential irresponsibility.


Edited by RUNnGUN (03/27/20 10:35 PM)
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#1027120 - 03/28/20 08:35 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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This is a situation where one can come up with lots of "but what about?" that makes sense to go out. Like, I live on a bay; I could stand on my bank and fish. Or, I live on a lake or river and could do the same while interacting with nobody but the fish. In that case, it does seem dumb. But, if I leave my property I have the ability to infect others or be infected by them when I buy gas, bait, tackle, food, show my license to Warden, talk to the sampler.

Many here rag on WDFW for having supremely complex regulations. They did this to squeeze as much "opportunity" out of the available fish. They could do that now by, but it would be a couple hundred pages of exceptions to close.

I am already hearing friends with severely compromised health of bullets they have dodged, so far, by not being out in public. I am selfish enough that I want my family and friends, most of whom are older than me, to be around so we can do things together when this calms down. I am staying away from others so that they survive.

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#1027212 - 03/29/20 10:09 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: RUNnGUN]
Priority2 Offline
Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: RUNnGUN
Originally Posted By: Priority2
Glad to see I am not the only one to think this shutdown is an unesasary over reaction..

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/amp/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s


Your link and you are fd up. Hope you and all your relatives stay safe from your mindset and potential irresponsibility.


I apologize about the link I was on my phone at the time..
You could google search too if the link doesn't work.....
maybe next time ….

https://mynorthwest.com/1791573/fishing-banned-coronavirus/

As far as my relatives staying safe... thank you for your concern...
what exactly is dangerous about my mindset?
I am curious about yours? I have not said one thing that would endanger anyone!
I disagree with no fishing rule! yes I do... is that dangerous?
If it is I am glad you informed me.... now can you explain to me how that is potentially dangerous? much appreciated!!


Edited by Priority2 (03/29/20 10:13 PM)

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#1027218 - 03/30/20 09:06 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: NickD90]
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Registered: 12/26/12
Posts: 10
+1

Your assessment of our predicament is accurate and your arguments clear. Please be sure to pass this on to the Director. It would be criminal to waste all of the sacrifices made and lives lost by prematurely reopening sport fishing.

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#1027237 - 03/30/20 01:07 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Slow Boat]
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Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: Slow Boat
+1

Your assessment of our predicament is accurate and your arguments clear. Please be sure to pass this on to the Director. It would be criminal to waste all of the sacrifices made and lives lost by prematurely reopening sport fishing.



Assessment is accurate? arguments clear?
I wish that honest discussion could happen without posts like this..
The Governor said no fishing.... So as far as I know not one person has been caught fishing.

Don't dare disagree with him or your a danger..... Where does this come from?

Why not argue that everyone shut down not just the citizens....
Why are you not questioning and angered with Tribal construction, fishing??????
Not logical!!!!!

If every single man woman and child stays home.. your not going to kill the virus, it needs a host and with the homeless population and the Governors vital services and personal approvals of jobs for the few and privileged donors to his campaign i.e. Emerald Queen Casino construction.....Etc..... The virus will live. We all go back to our normal operation it will happen all over again with just a few cases infecting the many...

Homeless traveling anywhere, everywhere.....
We have to take a common sense approach. If you are at risk, you are old, compromised immune system then stay home. If you are healthy and take appropriate precautions that have been outline... then fishing on your boat with your family is as safe as you can get...
Again a common sense approach would help everyone get through this better than one size fits all except if your a Democratic donor...

The logic is similar to the banning straw debate.... Why ban plastic straws? because they end up in the ocean and endanger sea life.. fair point... but where do straws that end up in the ocean come from?
Seattle?
No they come from countries like Vietnam that dump their trash in the ocean. Are we helping the situation by banning plastic straws?
No, because we don't dump our trash in the ocean, and the countries that do dump their trash will continue to dump their trash in the ocean.
So why ban plastic straws in Seattle? It makes Social justice warriors feel good.


Edited by Priority2 (03/30/20 01:25 PM)

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#1027238 - 03/30/20 01:27 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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I gotta say, I think NickD90 and the like are the ones that are off-base here. Certain types of fishing-related activity will violate the Proclamation 20-25, and certain types will not. This is no different than certain types of *any* activity. Yet, the Proclamation 20-25 wisely (in my opinion) does not ban all out-of-the-house activity. In fact, it deems "outdoor exercise" to be an "essential" activity, as long as social distancing guidelines are followed. The Governor himself recently said it's fine to "go for a drive," but it's not a good idea to drive half-way across Washington. The Proclamation explicitly identifies biking and hiking as examples "essential" outdoor exercise activities.

All of the arguments I've heard against allowing *any* kind of fishing apply equally to all the other "essential" activities that are allowed. Packing a bunch of buddies in a boat to go fishing would violate social distancing, just like packing a bunch of neighbors to go for a Costco trip would. So you shouldn't do either. But grocery runs are still allowed. Getting a pack of 50 bikers to go on a ride would be a bad idea, but biking is still allowed.

Using the public restrooms at a park might be a vector for SARS-CoV-2 transmission, so many are closed (including at ramps). But we are not prohibited from taking walks in the park. We are prohibited from wetting a line while we're there.

The bottom line is that WDFW went further than any other county, municipality, or statewide agency that I'm aware of by not only closing facilities, but banning a particular outdoor activity statewide (despite Inslee's order deeming outdoor exercise activities "essential").


Edited by MPM (03/30/20 01:30 PM)

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#1027239 - 03/30/20 01:31 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 758
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: Priority2


The Governor said no fishing.




He did not, actually (at least not publicly). WDFW did.

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#1027268 - 03/30/20 06:25 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Individuals can mostly sort out a nuanced approach and usually do the right thing, as individuals. As a population (ie. public health, which is what this involves), nuanced guidelines don't result in strict enough adherence. A smallish % of folks will always look for the loophole and push the margin, exploit the gray areas. . .and thereby the virus can exploit the adherence and kill people.

It's a team sport, so stay the fvck home.

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Edited by fishbadger (03/30/20 06:25 PM)
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#1027269 - 03/30/20 06:39 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
This virus is not going anywhere anytime soon!

the "Stay the Fvck home" fraise might make you feel better but it does not
do a dam thing....

there will always be people that don't follow the rules and a virus will not stop them.

The sooner we get common sense habits and regulations the better.

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#1027270 - 03/30/20 06:50 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Parr

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Posts: 57
To MPM's post The Gov. says going outside as long as distancing is essential...

Does "Stay the FVck home" apply

"This does not mean you can’t go outside,” said Inslee. “If you feel like going for a walk, gardening, going for a bike ride, we consider these things to be essential activities too for everyone’s physical and mental health. We all just have to practice social distancing of at least 6 feet to protect ourselves and others everywhere, all the time.”

Read more here: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/article241446561.html#storylink=cpy

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#1027277 - 03/30/20 08:15 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
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For WDFW your missing the boat. For a bit now they simply do what is the easiest. Shut down a river for fishing rather than put something together that is pragmatic and works. The point is whatever solution they come to it is going to be the one that requires the least effort. That simple.

That said the virus has no boundaries. The one GH case I read about is a person who visited PS ( Tacoma I think ) and brought it back. Everyone just needs to stay put and stop carrying that damn bug around. PS is our hot spot and if rural stay the hell out of PS and if a PS resident stay the hell out the rural areas. The bug can live 3 to 4 days on plastic and if infected and you just buy gas the bug on the pump can nail a ton of folks. Everybody just stay home! It is a small sacrifice to save lives.


Edited by Rivrguy (03/30/20 08:16 PM)
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#1027281 - 03/30/20 09:08 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Posts: 5834
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
I will again note all the bitching about how complex the regs are, or have been. Simple is "closed" because something almost always needs protection. I think they certainly could have done better because they can regulate for time, place, and manner.

Boats with no more than two people, no closer than X feet while not fishing from a boat. It could be done, but it would be complex.

I think on some of the Cruise Ships they found virus lived up to 17 days.

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#1027282 - 03/30/20 09:46 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: fishbadger]
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Originally Posted By: fishbadger
Individuals can mostly sort out a nuanced approach and usually do the right thing, as individuals. As a population (ie. public health, which is what this involves), nuanced guidelines don't result in strict enough adherence. A smallish % of folks will always look for the loophole and push the margin, exploit the gray areas. . .and thereby the virus can exploit the adherence and kill people.

It's a team sport, so stay the fvck home.

fb


MONEY!

We have TWO confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Grays Harbor.... BOTH imported from out of county. New cases from outside start out sporadic and infrequent..... until it's NOT! That's when the community spread between in-county residents ramps up and the epidemic explodes locally. We are now poised for that exponential ramp up in the next 2-3 weeks.

SERIOUSLY... stay home!
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#1027299 - 03/31/20 08:09 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Carcassman Offline
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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
And the above is why they closed the beaches and clamming.

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#1027311 - 03/31/20 11:02 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Isolation is common sense at this point, but I'm living proof you don't have to disobey the guidelines to get sick. I've been "staying the f home," but I still managed to pick up some sort of virus. Only G-I symptoms so far, but from what we're learning, Coronavirus can start out as just about anything, so I'm concerned. Really hoping I don't develop a cough or chest pain in the coming days (and yes, I'm even more holed-up than I was before).

I know this isn't what everyone wants to hear, but even self-isolation is no guarantee, against this or any illness. It's pretty obvious it gets spread by more ways than direct transfer via droplets, and there's growing suspicion it can just suspend in air for long periods of time, which makes going outside for a bike ride or run a much more risky proposition. It must be more effective at controlling spread, so we should keep doing it, but don't assume isolation is a guarantee of safety.

In case you can't tell, I'm taking this MUCH more seriously now that I'm a little sick. It all feels very real (and frightening) to me now. It's probably not reasonable (odds are it's something different), but that's what happens to a person's mindset when they're stuck at home and constantly being inundated with scary news.

Stay safe....

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#1027313 - 03/31/20 11:12 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 758
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: Priority2
To MPM's post The Gov. says going outside as long as distancing is essential...

Does "Stay the FVck home" apply

"This does not mean you can’t go outside,” said Inslee. “If you feel like going for a walk, gardening, going for a bike ride, we consider these things to be essential activities too for everyone’s physical and mental health. We all just have to practice social distancing of at least 6 feet to protect ourselves and others everywhere, all the time.”

Read more here: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/politics-government/article241446561.html#storylink=cpy


This was exactly my point. The Governor did not say we can't fish; WDFW did. The Governor said outdoor exercise activities are "essential"

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#1027314 - 03/31/20 11:17 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Carcassman]
MPM Offline
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Registered: 12/09/08
Posts: 758
Loc: Seattle, WA
Originally Posted By: Carcassman

Boats with no more than two people, no closer than X feet while not fishing from a boat. It could be done, but it would be complex.


The thing is WDFW didn't even *have* to issue regulations on those details. It's already in Proclamation 20-25, which prohibits all gatherings and multi-person activities except for people in the same household.

I think WDFW's point about ESA mandates and fish-checkers is totally valid, but that doesn't require closing the entire state to fishing.

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#1027324 - 03/31/20 01:23 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 5834
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
It doesn't require blanket closure but there would be a long list of exceptions.

From so many recent years where staff have been forced to remain in their silos I doubt that there is much capacity to think outside of a toothpick box, much less one of their nuclear blast-proof silos. But that's just my view.

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#1027360 - 03/31/20 05:27 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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Registered: 11/07/03
Posts: 643
Originally Posted By: FleaFlickr02
Isolation is common sense at this point, but I'm living proof you don't have to disobey the guidelines to get sick. I've been "staying the f home," but I still managed to pick up some sort of virus. Only G-I symptoms so far, but from what we're learning, Coronavirus can start out as just about anything, so I'm concerned. Really hoping I don't develop a cough or chest pain in the coming days (and yes, I'm even more holed-up than I was before).

I know this isn't what everyone wants to hear, but even self-isolation is no guarantee, against this or any illness. It's pretty obvious it gets spread by more ways than direct transfer via droplets, and there's growing suspicion it can just suspend in air for long periods of time, which makes going outside for a bike ride or run a much more risky proposition. It must be more effective at controlling spread, so we should keep doing it, but don't assume isolation is a guarantee of safety.

In case you can't tell, I'm taking this MUCH more seriously now that I'm a little sick. It all feels very real (and frightening) to me now. It's probably not reasonable (odds are it's something different), but that's what happens to a person's mindset when they're stuck at home and constantly being inundated with scary news.

Stay safe....


I hope you feel better soon.

Any idea as to what may have caused a potential exposure? Packaging from groceries? Checking the mailbox? A visitor to the home? Working in the yard downwind from some people in the neighborhood?

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#1027363 - 03/31/20 05:53 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
ondarvr Offline
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Registered: 09/07/05
Posts: 1194
Loc: Spokane WA
Before fishing was shut down the number trucks pulling boats from Spokane to Lake Roosevelt was crazy, as businesses shut down people headed for the water.

The two people in our county that are positive are from the west side, they came to their second homes to get away from C19. Those same people would come in larger numbers if it was open to fishing.

The county doesn’t have the infrastructure or money to handle many cases.

So yes, it needs to stay closed so people don’t travel around thinking “they” aren’t part of a potentially very big problem.
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#1027379 - 04/01/20 06:58 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
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Alevin

Registered: 12/26/12
Posts: 10
"Every stop for gas, food, or a restroom break can introduce the virus to areas it hasn't yet reached," said Susewind. "It was a tough decision, but we want to ensure that people are properly encouraged to stay home at this time."

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#1027385 - 04/01/20 09:05 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 208
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Saturday before last it was a steady stream of boats on trailers from Aberdeen to Westport. The beaches were packed with folks from inland hoping to get away for the day. It became apparent quickly we weren’t listening and is the reasoning Jay/WDFG made their decision. See link below regarding China’s method for controlling the Trump (it’s just the flu) flu.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-XAZJqnFn4/?igshid=9ok3km95786y

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#1027396 - 04/01/20 12:14 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
But wait, there’s a game warden’s brand new bronze p/u truck also there at the same time. Hmmm, that’s twice in two daze. And we thought they were having WDFW enforcement funding issues.....


I live in rural Central Wa, within close proximity (few miles or so, varies of course) to the Northside of the Colockum Wildlife Area. We're located in the foothills, mainly cherry/apple country and hobby farms with the occasional tin can car-farmer tossed in here and there. It's a 15-20 minute drive to town and a solid 30-minute drive to the Fish Cop HQ.

Now riddle me this....Twice in the last week, I've just happened to walk out to get the mail and I ALSO noticed "Myassisdragon's game warden’s brand new bronze p/u truck" heading around the corner uphill past my place? Sure, he could be driving up to go check on the local herd of elk that wanders through the 'hood as they might be causing some havoc in an orchard (one of the drive-bys was on a Saturday, not sure of their work schedules)? I too was under the impression that there were enforcement funding issues?

I've been cooped up too long!
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#1027398 - 04/01/20 12:23 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 25974
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Maybe he lives up there?

Fish on...

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#1027401 - 04/01/20 12:38 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: snit]
stonefish Offline
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Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 4796
Loc: Carkeek Park
Originally Posted By: snit
Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
But wait, there’s a game warden’s brand new bronze p/u truck also there at the same time. Hmmm, that’s twice in two daze. And we thought they were having WDFW enforcement funding issues.....


I live in rural Central Wa, within close proximity (few miles or so, varies of course) to the Northside of the Colockum Wildlife Area. We're located in the foothills, mainly cherry/apple country and hobby farms with the occasional tin can car-farmer tossed in here and there. It's a 15-20 minute drive to town and a solid 30-minute drive to the Fish Cop HQ.

Now riddle me this....Twice in the last week, I've just happened to walk out to get the mail and I ALSO noticed "Myassisdragon's game warden’s brand new bronze p/u truck" heading around the corner uphill past my place? Sure, he could be driving up to go check on the local herd of elk that wanders through the 'hood as they might be causing some havoc in an orchard (one of the drive-bys was on a Saturday, not sure of their work schedules)? I too was under the impression that there were enforcement funding issues?

I've been cooped up too long!


Might be someone I know.
If so, you might want to flag him down and chat him up.
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#1027410 - 04/01/20 02:58 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: ]
stonefish Offline
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Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
Originally Posted By: stonefish
Originally Posted By: snit
Originally Posted By: Myassisdragon
But wait, there’s a game warden’s brand new bronze p/u truck also there at the same time. Hmmm, that’s twice in two daze. And we thought they were having WDFW enforcement funding issues.....


I live in rural Central Wa, within close proximity (few miles or so, varies of course) to the Northside of the Colockum Wildlife Area. We're located in the foothills, mainly cherry/apple country and hobby farms with the occasional tin can car-farmer tossed in here and there. It's a 15-20 minute drive to town and a solid 30-minute drive to the Fish Cop HQ.

Now riddle me this....Twice in the last week, I've just happened to walk out to get the mail and I ALSO noticed "Myassisdragon's game warden’s brand new bronze p/u truck" heading around the corner uphill past my place? Sure, he could be driving up to go check on the local herd of elk that wanders through the 'hood as they might be causing some havoc in an orchard (one of the drive-bys was on a Saturday, not sure of their work schedules)? I too was under the impression that there were enforcement funding issues?

I've been cooped up too long!


Might be someone I know.
If so, you might want to flag him down and chat him up.
SF


I agree, and I think the state’s new random chat up guidelines have been updated on the .gov sites.


Lol
If it is my buddy, Snit will enjoy speaking with him.
SF
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#1027445 - 04/01/20 08:33 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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I haven't noticed the marked rig while on my early morning walks yet, but that is definitely a strong possibility. Good thinking fellas!

The groundhogs in the pasture need thinning but we've been waiting for the pups to show until we start shooting. Maybe he will stop by and introduce himself when we're having some fun?
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#1027449 - 04/01/20 08:55 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: snit]
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Originally Posted By: snit
I haven't noticed the marked rig while on my early morning walks yet, but that is definitely a strong possibility. Good thinking fellas!

The groundhogs in the pasture need thinning but we've been waiting for the pups to show until we start shooting. Maybe he will stop by and introduce himself when we're having some fun?


Spoke with my buddy today about some plans for some August coho beach fishing.
It wasn’t him but likely another officer that lives nearby.
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#1028044 - 04/13/20 05:33 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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This is the way it should have gone down. Can someone please forward this to our Gov.

(Released: April 13, 2020) CONTACT: Tom Taube
Deputy Director
(907) 465-6184
Sport and Personal Use Fishing Restrictions Related to Health Mandate 012
(Juneau) - The Alaska Department of Fish and Game is informing the public that Health Mandate 012 – Intrastate Travel states “all instate travel between communities, whether resident, worker, or visitor, is prohibited unless travel is to support critical infrastructure, or for critical personal needs”. Sport and personal use fishing have not been identified as supporting critical infrastructure or a critical personal need. The purpose of this mandate is to control the movement of individuals to communities within Alaska in order to prevent, slow, and otherwise disrupt the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Although travel between communities is prohibited under the health mandate, the public may still travel to fishing locations. When traveling to participate in sport or personal use fisheries that occur outside of their communities of residence, the public must follow these guidelines: 1) Try to find the resource you intend to pursue as close to your home residence as possible; 2) Find out local mandates in communities through which you plan to travel before you leave. You must abide by them; 3) Totally provision your trip from your community of origin. Don’t plan on buying food, drinks or even fuel (if possible) after you begin your trip and until you return home; 4) Practice social distancing while sport or personal use fishing with anyone not considered part of your immediate household, including while traveling from your community to your fishing location; and 5) Wear face coverings as suggested in Health Alert 010 issued April 3, 2020.

Adherence to these stipulations will allow Alaskans the opportunity to fish and put food on their tables while taking measures to protect public health and allow time to build needed health infrastructure. Please adhere to the stipulations to ensure these opportunities can continue. Be safe and considerate of others.

The state of Alaska will be reevaluating Health Mandate 012 on April 21, 2020 and these restrictions will be in effect until that time.

The full text of Health Mandate 012 can be found at:

https://gov.alaska.gov/home/covid19-healthmandates/

and FAQs specific to this mandate can be found at:

http://dhss.alaska.gov/dph/Epi/id/Pages/COVID-19/default.aspx

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#1028049 - 04/13/20 07:31 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Alaska recognizes that personal use fisheries, and hunting, serve a subsistence purpose. When I was in Georgia, the statements in the regulation pamphlet clearly implied that one of the purposes of sport hunting and fishing was to put food on the table. It appears that WA does not recognize this as a use. Hunting and fishing are just for recreation.

Don't know how subsistence can become part of the reasons why seasons are opened.

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#1028051 - 04/13/20 08:32 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Carcassman]
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I say leave it open and leave to the local jurisdictions to make the decisions. I totally get it that Westport may not want to be overrun with Pugetropolis as several weeks back. Follow Oregon’s lead and let the individual jurisdictions make that decision to close down boat launches that get too crowded. But to close an obscure state owned tidewater boat launch where the season is actually closed; to launching a kayak for birdwatching. Really? Chucking root beer worms off the jetty when you live a mile away. Really?
Read closely the announcement from ADFG as well the Director of Oregon F&G.

Won’t you please tell the man I didn’t kill anyone just trying to have me some fun.

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#1028052 - 04/13/20 09:18 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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I live in a private lake in a private neighborhood. Our HOA dues stock trout in the lake. Besides a couple bass fisherman that live in our community, it is rare that folks actually get out and trout fish. Makes it nice to have a locked gate and gravel put in for our boats that sit at the beach. All electric motors of course. Originally the shutdown applied to public fishing in the state of Washington. Then social media struck. A couple people on our community Facebook board started calling the Department of Fish and Wildlife and saying people were poaching and they thought that fishing was closed. Next thing you know that was bickering and arguments going on not unlike most social media forums. I called wdfw enforcement twice and they said if we are in a private Lake Community with HOA funding the fish and not wdfw paying for them, the fishing would remain open. I wrote this on the Facebook board and people wanted to know what RCW code, law, whom did i talk too yada yada. Next thing I know, the game wardens are coming around the lake and saying they're going to write citations for anybody fishing. I called back and was told the very same thing again believe it or not that the lake would be open. I finally Tracked Down the local game warden here and he said that people were complaining and that it wasn't fair blah blah blah and it wasn't long after, public and private Lakes we're closed to fishing. Coincidence? Who knows but the moral of the story is social media can really suck! I quite literally can't take my five-year-old out fishing on big private Lake that is 200 feet from my house and no one is ever on anyway. Way to go WDFW!!!


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#1028053 - 04/13/20 09:29 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: cobble cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: cobble cruiser
I live in a private lake in a private neighborhood. Our HOA dues stock trout in the lake. Besides a couple bass fisherman that live in our community, it is rare that folks actually get out and trout fish. Makes it nice to have a locked gate and gravel put in for our boats that sit at the beach. All electric motors of course. Originally the shutdown applied to public fishing in the state of Washington. Then social media struck. A couple people on our community Facebook board started calling the Department of Fish and Wildlife and saying people were poaching and they thought that fishing was closed. Next thing you know that was bickering and arguments going on not unlike most social media forums. I called wdfw enforcement twice and they said if we are in a private Lake Community with HOA funding the fish and not wdfw paying for them, the fishing would remain open. I wrote this on the Facebook board and people wanted to know what RCW code, law, whom did i talk too yada yada. Next thing I know, the game wardens are coming around the lake and saying they're going to write citations for anybody fishing. I called back and was told the very same thing again believe it or not that the lake would be open. I finally Tracked Down the local game warden here and he said that people were complaining and that it wasn't fair blah blah blah and it wasn't long after, public and private Lakes we're closed to fishing. Coincidence? Who knows but the moral of the story is social media can really suck! I quite literally can't take my five-year-old out fishing on big private Lake that is 200 feet from my house and no one is ever on anyway. Way to go WDFW!!!


Confirming for your community that your private lake that the community pays for the stocking is open and folks needing to know who you spoke with etc.....
No good deed should go unpunished.
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#1028055 - 04/13/20 10:34 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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That's akin to saying you can't "harvest" a chicken you raised in your own back yard to eat. What f'n right do they have? Seriously?

I'm all for being a good citizen and staying with the program for the benefit of all but... some of this gets ridiculous!
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#1028056 - 04/13/20 10:50 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: cobble cruiser]
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If WDFW did not stock the lake, it does not have a public access and does not require a WDFW license to be able to fish it then WDFW's closure of fishing would not apply to that lake.

Now, presumably the HOA could vote to close it but the post did not bring that into play.
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#1028057 - 04/14/20 05:22 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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First let be clear I'm neither a lawyer or a game warden but WDFW/state does establish/control fishing regulations (seasons etc.) on a number on private lands. I think we would have to look no further that small streams across the region that are flowing through private lands - they all are under state fishing regulations.

Yes there are a number of waters that are privately planted with trout all of which require a planting permit from the State. As part of the permit whether the water be permitted to be planted will be under state regulations. Typically the criteria of whether the water being planted under the permit can be excepted under the permit is whether there are "state" fish in the water. Let's look at two examples 1) Some one digs a 3 acre hole in the ground creating a pond which at the time of filling has no fish. The permit may all the owner(s) to establish the rules. 2) If on the other hand on private land a lake is created by damming a small stream which has cutthroat. In this case the lake even though being planted privately would still be under state rules; it also has "state fish".

Cobble cruiser -
In other words some one should check the planting permit. If the water in question is being planted without securing the required permit (not an uncommon situation) then by default state fishing rules

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#1028060 - 04/14/20 07:13 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Smalma]
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Sounds like you know exactly where im at Curt. Lake Marcel was man made something like 80 years ago. A small stream does feed it and it does have natural cutthroat living in it. The lake is open year around. Crazy thing to me is folks can take the same boat i can out in the lake still, kayakers, swimmers whatever and you just cant drop a line in the water now. I can honestly say this is the first time in atleast 15 maybe more years i have seen a game warden. Folks in our community just as a rule respect the resource and again pretty rare anyone fishes anyway. My back yard is quite literally the lake and i cant let my kids fish when there is a massive shortage of recreation available.

I build boats for a living and quite alot for all sorts of agencies. Spoke with Montana Fish and Game a few days ago and they said they were taking the opposite approach in that they are encouraging people to get out and fish to get some recreation and peace to keep their sanity. Of course theres alot less people and more space...


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#1028061 - 04/14/20 07:19 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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By the way if i remember before the dam we have now, there was a natural earthen dam that was impassable for fish. When i was a kid i remember them installing the first rendition of the dam.
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#1028063 - 04/14/20 09:28 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: cobble cruiser]
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I live in the most populated state in the union and we are allowed to fish. You guys in Washington got hosed.
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#1028065 - 04/14/20 09:35 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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#1028072 - 04/14/20 10:11 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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There are some arguments made for the closure that seem pretty legit, but the fact that our neighbors are all still allowing fishing, I'm not so sure they are all that legit. Indeed, it seems we're getting hosed.

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#1028079 - 04/14/20 11:13 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: FleaFlickr02]
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"I work for the government and I'm here to help." Is that how the saying goes?

It seems simple to me. Leave all the monitored fisheries closed to keep social distancing and open everything else. When 49 other states disagree with you, it probably isn't those 49 states that are wrong.

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#1028083 - 04/14/20 11:37 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Gov Inslee has received a lot of praise from around the nation on how well he has handled the pandemic here in WA state. Maybe he is trying for another run at the presidency. I just think it is a little strange that I can walk around my neighborhood and walk past people but I can't fish on a lake, stream or the salt water where social distancing (6 ft.apart) is much less of a problem. Now that the governors of CA, OR and WA are forming a joint plan to handle the reopening of the states, it will be interesting to see what the plan is.

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#1028085 - 04/14/20 11:50 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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My opinion is that I wish fishing and hunting was open, as I am really missing out on both right now.

That being said...let's at least be honest about what's happening here. It's not about getting too close to someone in the boat, or rubbing shoulders with someone at a hatchery hole.

It's about the 95% of the fishermen in our state that live in areas that are heavy with Covid-19 traveling to the rest of the state that is not, and bringing the virus with us there.

Those areas also have shitt for hospitals, doctors, and ability to deal with any significant outbreaks.

The unfortunate truth is that people suck, and will travel to those areas and be irresponsible when they do, and it's impossible to just stop the idiots, or to stop them from being idiots...so closing fishing and hunting does the next best thing.

Really, at the end of the day, as much as this sucks...is someone who dies because a fisherman driving to Forks from Everett brings Covid-19 with them really a fair price to pay for your recreation?

Fish on...

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#1028087 - 04/14/20 12:08 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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You don't think it has anything to do with all the WDFW employees not being present in their 98501 concrete bunkers during normal business hours??

Hell without them working who would initiate the emergency closures that WDFW is so fond of??

Obviously enforcement is still working.

Crazy times.

Be well Todd.

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#1028093 - 04/14/20 01:07 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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If I had a private pond stocked with private fish, paid for with private monies via private HOA dues, I'd simply fish and dare someone to ticket me. While lawsuits are a mega pain in the rear to deal with, that's a slam dunk win and at the very minimum, prorated refunded HOA dues and a dismissed ticket. I guess it depends on how much pain in the rear I was willing to become AND also deal with (plus make enemies out of your HOA or WDFW - which is always a nice bonus).

I guess maybe I wouldn't fish after all. Seems like too much hassle and work for some 8" ditch pickles. IDK.
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#1028094 - 04/14/20 01:11 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: RabidAngler]
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Originally Posted By: AcidAngler
You guys in Washington got hosed.


I'm guessing the 950 criminals that Dimslee's releasing from prison because he doesn't want them getting sick are pretty happy. Surely they'll be model citizens for social distancing, etc.

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#1028095 - 04/14/20 01:13 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: NickD90]
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Originally Posted By: NickD90
If I had a private pond stocked with private fish, paid for with private monies via private HOA dues, I'd simply fish and dare someone to ticket me. While lawsuits are a mega pain in the rear to deal with, that's a slam dunk win and at the very minimum, prorated refunded HOA dues and a dismissed ticket. I guess it depends on how much pain in the rear I was willing to become AND also deal with (plus make enemies out of your HOA or WDFW - which is always a nice bonus).

I guess maybe I wouldn't fish after all. Seems like too much hassle and work for some 8" ditch pickles. IDK.


Kinda where im at... even if it makes zero sense.

I do understand Todds point about all the travel albeit it really sucks to think about feeling trapped its others safety we shoukd all consider. Now... just open my private lake back up cuz no bozos traveling to fish here anyway!!! wink
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#1028099 - 04/14/20 01:45 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Dem 206ers is stocking brown trout in da porcelain everyday.

Next thing you know whooooosh and they is all migrating toward the sound.

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#1028101 - 04/14/20 01:47 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Releasing 950 criminals. Now that is a scary thought. Murderers , sexual predator crimes and whatever else. that is almost as scary as the disease itself. Yes Todd, I agree there are idiots. It ruins it for the people who do practice pandemic mitigation. Testing, testing testing is the answer to eventually opening things back up again.

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#1028107 - 04/14/20 02:54 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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It's actually going to be 950 non-violent offenders, so most likely recreational drug users...and is the result of a Supreme Court case on behalf of prisoners with compromised immune systems, not the willy nilly result of Inslee just deciding to let them out.

Sounds way cooler that way, though.

Fish on...

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#1028109 - 04/14/20 03:38 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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It’s amazing to us, that there is a huge outcry from the recreational community about a temporary closure, yet year after year Rec’s keep losing in the North of Falcon. If half the people who are DEMANDING that fishing be opened would work on fixing the secret meetings and the permitting issue we could make a lasting difference for the good in our sport.
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#1028115 - 04/14/20 05:19 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Bay wolf]
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BoomBoomBoom. He just can’t help himself.

I think the reason I brought this back to the top again was to point out that Alaska and Oregon say it’s OK to fish in your own back yard. Oregon did however have issues with people traveling and left it up to local jurisdictions to make the call. Seems a reasonable compromise. Stam’s absolutely right however we all suck.

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#1028120 - 04/14/20 07:03 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Get Bent]
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Originally Posted By: Get Bent
BoomBoomBoom. He just can’t help himself.


"Boom" As one sport fishing advisory board summed it up, “the closures represent a loss of approximately 24 area-months to sport fishing opportunity compared to last year, the most restricted fishery in history.”

"Boom"“It was a tough year and no one is going to have a good fishing season,” said Kelly Susewind, the WDFW Director.

"Boom"I’ve been fishing since I was little. It is part of my blood to be able to do this, so I’m going to do everything on our part to make sure we are able to get these things fixed and get back to fishing the way it was. You can count on me not to give up. I’m not throwing up a white flag,” vowed Mark Yuasa of the Northwest Marine Trade Association

I'll keep beating the drum BOOM, BOOM, BOOM because it's just that important.

UNTIL THE REC COMMUNITY DRAWS A LINE IN THE SAND AS SAYS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE ON A PERMANENT BASES UNTIL ALL REC FISHING IS CLOSED FOREVER...

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#1028123 - 04/14/20 07:27 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Baywolf, I love your passion but with the tribes having all the power it is a very difficult situation.

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#1028124 - 04/14/20 07:27 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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I'm all for ranting and raving about the lost opportunities the WA sportsman feel they have been singled out for the last month or so, on the premise of curbing the transmission of the virus. BUT, with the weather getting better and school (or lack thereof) being "remote" for all the kid's, people are going to want to travel!

Fast forward another month while changing a couple of keywords in Todd's prior comment and I see sense another demographic affected as well: "fisherman" to "tourist/vacationers" and "Forks" to "Chelan". I suspect Dimslee is going to have a Hell of a lot more people pissed at him than just the hunting and fishing crowd I'd imagine?

...."It's about the 95% of the tourist/vacationers in our state that live in areas that are heavy with Covid-19 traveling to the rest of the state that is not, and bringing the virus with us there.

Those areas also have shitt for hospitals, doctors, and ability to deal with any significant outbreaks.

The unfortunate truth is that people suck, and will travel to those areas and be irresponsible when they do, and it's impossible to just stop the idiots, or to stop them from being idiots...so closing traveling/vacations does the next best thing.

Really, at the end of the day, as much as this sucks...is someone who dies because a tourist driving to Chelan from Everett brings Covid-19 with them really a fair price to pay for your recreation?"
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#1028127 - 04/14/20 07:30 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Thanks Todd. I hope you are right about the 950 prisoners being non-violent. If the the "hardened" criminals are let go also then that opens a whole new "can of worms".

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#1028136 - 04/14/20 08:57 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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I will never understand the comments on this forum. Treat sportsmen as if we break the laws on the regular, dont have commen sense, given the chance will act stupidly and endanger others..
So if we open fishing it's the fisherman that will go to forks and spread covid around?
Does Oregon and California have small communities with small hospitals? Its not a concern in those states but in Washington our sportsmen cant follow guidelines of social distancing, washing thier hands?

I have seen Baskin and Robin's, the hardware store, grocery store, gas stations full of people! Yes they are deemed essential but come on Baskin & Robbins? I go about my business and follow the guidlines and I should be able to fish!
Its definatly not the fishing ban that dropped the curve of covid infections it's the common sense distancing and awareness most people are following that is working and we can open the state back up!

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#1028140 - 04/14/20 11:16 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Lifter99]
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Originally Posted By: Lifter99
Baywolf, I love your passion but with the tribes having all the power it is a very difficult situation.


Exactly the point. We are seeing it right in front of us EVERY SINGLE SALMON SEASON!

WE ARE LOSING OUR FISHING SLOWLY, LIKE A FROG BEING BOILED!

Do you have more fishing now then you did four years ago when I first started "Pounding my Drum"?

JOIN THE FIGHT or SELL YOUR GREAR. Because before long, the ban on rec fishing will be permanent...the frog will be boiled having never jumped out!

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#1028142 - 04/15/20 05:45 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Bay wolf]
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Bay Wolf you’re missing the point again. I totally respect you right of speech and compassion. I may be wrong but I believe the topic was fishing closure due to Covid 19. I seriously doubt if there’s any conspiracies going on with that. I believe the Alaska/Oregon/California model can work once the number of new cases start to reside. There’s no reason that if you live in Seattle that you shouldn’t be a able to bike to Green Lake and watch a bobber. If you live on or close to a local lake be able to take your kid out on a sunny afternoon. If the present trend continues this thing will go well into July. Open fishing limit travel.

Again a lot of us appreciate Baywolfs compassion however you’ve already got at least 3 posts started on NOF and closed door meetings. Feel free to continue to express your frustration there. It’s the hijack thing that gets a little tiresome.

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#1028143 - 04/15/20 06:21 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Get Bent]
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Originally Posted By: Get Bent
Bay Wolf you’re missing the point again. I totally respect you right of speech and compassion. I may be wrong but I believe the topic was fishing closure due to Covid 19. I seriously doubt if there’s any conspiracies going on with that. I believe the Alaska/Oregon/California model can work once the number of new cases start to reside. There’s no reason that if you live in Seattle that you shouldn’t be a able to bike to Green Lake and watch a bobber. If you live on or close to a local lake be able to take your kid out on a sunny afternoon. If the present trend continues this thing will go well into July. Open fishing limit travel.

Again a lot of us appreciate Baywolfs compassion however you’ve already got at least 3 posts started on NOF and closed door meetings. Feel free to continue to express your frustration there. It’s the hijack thing that gets a little tiresome.


Fair minded people can see there is something else behind the fishing closure besides the covid outbreak!
Why are we the ONLY state to shut down fishing?
Surely it's not to stop the spread... other states have proven that false!
Its pick a reason to shut down fishing game...
Let's play...
1.To many encounters with juveniel salmenoid.
2. Not enough returning endangered ESA listed fish. (At the same time tribes are loading these same fish on a truck sold for profit).
3.we have caught too many fish on our small quota (decided by the tribes in the secret meetings).
4. Tribes complaining too many citizens in thier way when they are netting large amounts of ESA listed fish.
5. ?

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#1028144 - 04/15/20 07:25 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
Get Bent Offline
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We were the first major outbreak in the US is one reason. A second was the first fair weather weekend this spring half of Pugetropolis made break for the coast totally overwhelming these small communities with very few resources to battle the beast. These small communities from Bandon to Neah Bay freaked dude! Even if sport fishing were to reopen I’ll guarantee port of Grays Harbor will NOT open for sport vessels. I believe I read on another page the Neah Bay/La Push closed their launch’s as well. Case in point leave it to the local jurisdictions to make the decisions. That said I agree with the earlier decision executed with a rather large hammer to stop the spread that was inevitably, no conspiracies here dude, the decisions were made at the top level quickly to save lives and resources. Hope you can understand that.

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#1028145 - 04/15/20 07:54 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Your entitled to your opinion.
I disagree 100 percent!

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#1028148 - 04/15/20 08:28 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Jason Beezuz Offline
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Loc: PNW
They have put a piece of wood over every basketball hoop in my town. What a [Bleeeeep!] joke. Parks are packed with every type of group activity but they close the hoops....I am ripping that wood off later, I have seen zero other people shooting at the hoop I use in 3 years.

I guess basketball players and fishermen are the problem now...
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#1028150 - 04/15/20 08:54 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
RabidAngler Offline
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Originally Posted By: Priority2

Does Oregon and California have small communities with small hospitals? Its not a concern in those states but in Washington our sportsmen cant follow guidelines of social distancing, washing thier hands?



It's a concern here in California. Recreational lakes ,state parks,county parks,all are closed. I wanted to fish the spring bass bite at Nacimiento Reservoir, Closed. Clear Lake ,Closed. Salmon season ocean sport,closed. Parking lots to beaches,closed. You have to be really creative to be able to find spots to fish. Luckily I have some striper laden beaches right now that take a bit of work to get to,and a couple small bass ponds if I get desperate, but make no mistake 90% of the fishing here is closed right now,the launch ramps are closed,so if you you do not have a slip forget about it.
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#1028154 - 04/15/20 09:36 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: RabidAngler]
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Somewhat odd on how folks in different places react differently to this virus and everything associated around it. For fishing it is simple enough. A person living in a particular area could walk to a stream or lake and maintain the distancing thing. They could use a boat launch and take precautions to insure their safety. What can not be utilized is the sanitation facilities, hotel or motels, things like guided fishing, charter boats, sell out of state fishing or hunting licenses or use any transportation other than their own. In Grays Harbor we have 8 cases so far and one who has the virus is on a ventilator is someone I have known for nearly 60 years who is a guide. So yes fishing and hunting can happen but nobody needs folks traveling all over hell with some carrying the bug so stay the hell home.


Edited by Rivrguy (04/15/20 10:33 AM)
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#1028162 - 04/15/20 11:00 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
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5: WDFW doesn't want to pay for enforcement and monitoring.

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#1028168 - 04/15/20 11:54 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Makah Tribe
Public Announcement
As of April 6, 2020, the Makah Tribal Council has extended the Shelter in Place order until May 15, 2020 and the Neah Bay/Makah reservation remains closed to visitors.



In response to the confirmed person-to-person spread of COVID-19 in Washington State,

The Makah Tribal Council, after careful consideration, has determined the need to implement appropriate measures to protect the health, safety and welfare of the Makah people and the Neah Bay community. The rapid changes with regard to COVID-19 are a public health concern and the Makah Tribe is carefully monitoring this outbreak and coordinating with Tribal, County and State emergency management agencies as the situation develops.

Local businesses have been encouraged to consider the health and safety of their patrons and implement practices that will reduce public contact, encourage social distancing and ensure that diligent sanitization procedures are in place.

Effective Monday, March 16, 2020 and until further notice, businesses and properties owned by the Makah Tribe will be limiting or closing public access.

Hobuck Beach Resort and The Cape Resort will be closed to customers until further notice.

The Shi Shi Trail and Cape Flattery Trail will remain open to Makah Tribal members, however it will be closed to the general public until further notice, as well as the 3rd Beach trail commonly used for surfing activities.

The Makah Cultural and Research Center (Museum) will be closed until further notice effective March 16, 2020.

The boat launch at Big Salmon will be closed to the general public but will remain open to the residents of Neah Bay.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your understanding continued patronage in the future.

You may visit the following websites for updates:


Looks like La push is off limits too, as there web site states the reservation is closed and off limits to non-residents.

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#1028170 - 04/15/20 12:02 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
Idaho Mike Offline
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Posts: 2193
Loc: Post Falls Idaho
Todd got it right; the real issue is travel. The point of a stay at home order is to stay at home, which is pretty difficult to enforce, so to get people to stay at home you have to remove the opportunities or reason for them to travel. Closing fishing sucks, but this whole things sucks, however, it is what it is.

I live in North Idaho. Our conservative Governor just extended our stay at home order for two weeks. He decided to listen to real science and not the make believe, make me feel good science the rest of the conservatives in this state prefer. The republican knuckle heads in Boise want the decisions to made on the regional level and trust that everyone will do the right things. Sure, you bet, I was gainfully employed in public safety for 32 years because not everyone does the right thing. A patch work of closures is useless because those in closed areas will simply travel to open areas. By the way, if you come here from Washington make it a 3 week vacation because effective today you have to quarantine for 14 days first.

You all stay safe and healthy.
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#1028175 - 04/15/20 12:49 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Idaho Mike]
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I am told two weeks in Alaska.
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#1028189 - 04/15/20 06:17 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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The Chelan/Douglas County Public bus system (LINK) apparently went to ZERO user fees since the virus hit??? I was reading the online edition of the local paper last night, and there was a letter in the opinion section from a bus driver complaining about all the "homeless and undesirables" now riding the buses all-day, as the bus is now free. The fees used to keep these "types" off the Public Transportation for the most part, but now the drivers feel overwhelmed that they can't keep up with the sanitization of the buses, and they're concerned about their safety as well as their customers.

When there's a "stay at home order", why dismiss the bus fee to encourage ridership?? Maybe it was dropped to help ease the financial pain for the folks who are currently unemployed due to the virus? IDK, but just shows that for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
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#1028191 - 04/15/20 07:27 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: snit]
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Registered: 08/04/99
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Loc: Olympia, WA
Another example of "Why we can't have nice things." Our Intercity Transit serving most of Thurston County went zero user fees on January 1, 2020. The number of riders increased significantly until the pandemic hit and the "stay at home" directives were issued. That really dropped passenger numbers. Too bad, as the zero fees was an experiment to see what impact the policy would have on increasing ridership. Now it looks like two or three months of collecting data will be lost; I see very few people waiting at the bus stops these days. Public transportation has got to be just below cruise ships and casinos as a petri dish for pathogens. Downtown Olympia has a huge homeless problem. I'm sure the bus drivers serving that area are facing the exact conditions you've described. A state park ranger told me that user fees were initiated to keep undesirables from taking over the parks; seems fares serve the same purpose on buses.

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#1028204 - 04/16/20 05:44 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: CedarR]
erikj Offline
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Registered: 01/06/07
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I guess we're not that worried about spreading the virus.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/healt...be-a8e00eba4e36

A Mercer Island man said he was able to pass through customs at Sea-Tac Airport in about two minutes after returning from Asia.

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#1028208 - 04/16/20 08:37 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Krijack]
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1045
Originally Posted By: Krijack
Makah Tribe
Public Announcement
As of April 6, 2020, the Makah Tribal Council has extended the Shelter in Place order until May 15, 2020 and the Neah Bay/Makah reservation remains closed to visitors.



In response to the confirmed person-to-person spread of COVID-19 in Washington State,

The Makah Tribal Council, after careful consideration, has determined the need to implement appropriate measures to protect the health, safety and welfare of the Makah people and the Neah Bay community. The rapid changes with regard to COVID-19 are a public health concern and the Makah Tribe is carefully monitoring this outbreak and coordinating with Tribal, County and State emergency management agencies as the situation develops.

Local businesses have been encouraged to consider the health and safety of their patrons and implement practices that will reduce public contact, encourage social distancing and ensure that diligent sanitization procedures are in place.

Effective Monday, March 16, 2020 and until further notice, businesses and properties owned by the Makah Tribe will be limiting or closing public access.

Hobuck Beach Resort and The Cape Resort will be closed to customers until further notice.

The Shi Shi Trail and Cape Flattery Trail will remain open to Makah Tribal members, however it will be closed to the general public until further notice, as well as the 3rd Beach trail commonly used for surfing activities.

The Makah Cultural and Research Center (Museum) will be closed until further notice effective March 16, 2020.

The boat launch at Big Salmon will be closed to the general public but will remain open to the residents of Neah Bay.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your understanding continued patronage in the future.

You may visit the following websites for updates:


Looks like La push is off limits too, as there web site states the reservation is closed and off limits to non-residents.


Not the only tribe that has closed all activities to non residence. Curious what future affect this virus and the tribal isolation will have on reservation access, resource access, tribal activities and demands? Their are those tribal members that have always wanted isolation from society, non interference in their activities, an "us" only idea. Being sovereign gives them that luxury. My concern is future public access to the same activities that the Boldt decision gave to them. Fishing, crabbing, shellfish gathering, hiking, hunting etc. and keep in mind they are still getting to do all those now with 0 competition. Tribes have been winning! Government in their pocket, buying up real estate, winning every court decision, successfully increasing their share of fisheries through closures, approvals to non taxed casino gaming, all at the expense of the residence around them. I'm not saying they don't deserve it because the white man did and has always fd them over. I just wonder what the future holds for the activities I cherish living here. Not being able to participate in any of those has been a reality check. Having lived here and participated in the outdoors my whole life, and now being cooped up, has me thinking. Maybe thinking too much!
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#1028216 - 04/16/20 10:12 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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"We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience and appreciate your understanding continued patronage in the future."

I think your answer is right there in the Makah's "we're closed" notice. Hikers, sightseers, surfers and sport fishermen are a big part of the Makah's cash revenue - especially since they have not gone down the casino road - which I appreciate.

Have been going to Neah Bay annually for the past 50 yrs - as a kid when the "docks" were nothing more than a couple big logs cabled together with plywood tacked on top - to taking my own kids - to now them going there with their own boats. Love that place and the surrounding forests, beaches and water and would certainly hate to loose access but I really don't think the Makah's have any nefarious intent in isolating right now other than protecting themselves from Covid.
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#1028217 - 04/16/20 10:21 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: OceanSun]
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Considering the history of the last 300 years of the native peoples being far more vulnerable to diseases than other ethnicities, I think it would cause be to bar the door also. Self preservation is always a high priority.
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#1028234 - 04/16/20 02:18 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Rivrguy]
WN1A Offline
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Registered: 09/17/04
Posts: 586
Loc: Seattle
This is a fun article from the New York Times about Maryland's Covid 19 closures. They have an R governor and no tribes to blame.

No Fishing

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#1028236 - 04/16/20 02:41 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: WN1A]
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Registered: 09/07/05
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Loc: Spokane WA
Originally Posted By: WN1A
This is a fun article from the New York Times about Maryland's Covid 19 closures. They have an R governor and no tribes to blame.

No Fishing


It started out good, but then went to log in or subscribe, I don't subscribe to stuff.
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#1028238 - 04/16/20 03:39 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Rivrguy]
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Originally Posted By: Rivrguy
Considering the history of the last 300 years of the native peoples being far more vulnerable to diseases than other ethnicities, I think it would cause be to bar the door also. Self preservation is always a high priority.


There is a higher percentage of the types of underlying conditions that contribute to fatalities within the the tribal communities as well. Then there is the concern of adequate medical support. (The feds just release funding that was earmarked for tribal medical support over a year ago..and only after a long fight)

Also, there is the cultural impact as well. .Tribal communities are essentially just extended families. As such, social distancing is very difficult in tribal culture. Family is everything and NOT visiting and being close with elders is considered wrong.

Given that we are all working to save each others lives, I applaud our tribal neighbors efforts to do the right thing in this case.
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#1028288 - 04/17/20 09:53 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
I just listened to a Spokesman Review podcast with Suswind and at the 6 minute mark he’s quoted, “The governor is very clear that recreational fishing is not an essential activity.”

But tribal and commercial fishing is??

Sums up the entire Inslee regime regarding recreational fishing in one sentence.

I haven’t purchased a salt water license in a while now and this may be the first time I don’t buy any fishing license.

I’ll get in my special permits next month but the way this state supports hunters and Fisher I’d actually be surprised if there is a hunting season. It’s not essential after all and we can’t afford to have WDFW employees exposed to healthy hunters and fishermen practicing social distancing.

BTW. I’ve got no problem with local jurisdictions closing access like Pacific Co just did but I do have a problem with the fuckit let’s close everything down because we’re a bunch of lazyfucks who don’t care and the governor hates you anyways decisions.

Oh and we have no money because Brood didn’t buy a license and the general fund is empty because no one is paying tolls to get to work anymore.

Everything will be shut down and it will have very little to do with CV-19 and everything to do with $$$ and disdain for our life choices.
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#1028289 - 04/17/20 09:57 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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heavy sigh....
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#1028290 - 04/17/20 09:59 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: deadly]
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p.s. Every WDFW employee should be laid off until such time fishing is open state wide. Too dangerous out there to arrest poachers and way way to dangerous to place anyone in jail if they are caught so why are we paying them?
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#1028291 - 04/17/20 10:09 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: snit]
BroodBuster Offline
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
Originally Posted By: snit
heavy sigh....


I can be trolling Lake Wa 20 minutes after leaving my front door without being within 100 yards of another individual. I can be trusted to social distance at the grocery but not on a lake???

Heavy sigh...
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#1028293 - 04/17/20 10:19 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: BroodBuster]
blackmouth Offline
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Loc: right place/wrong time
Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
p.s. Every WDFW employee should be laid off until such time fishing is open state wide. Too dangerous out there to arrest poachers and way way to dangerous to place anyone in jail if they are caught so why are we paying them?


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#1028301 - 04/17/20 05:02 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: BroodBuster]
Larry B Offline
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
p.s. Every WDFW employee should be laid off until such time fishing is open state wide. Too dangerous out there to arrest poachers and way way to dangerous to place anyone in jail if they are caught so why are we paying them?


Are you suggesting that every WDFW employee is a LEO?

Oh, and did you happen to catch the news about how Seattle auto thefts are WAY WAY up over the past month? Bad guys know that folks aren't using their vehicles so the loss may not be noticed. Bad guys tend to take advantage of such lapses in oversight and especially LEO absence.
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#1028304 - 04/17/20 07:36 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Larry B]
Priority2 Offline
Parr

Registered: 04/17/15
Posts: 57
Originally Posted By: Larry B
Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
p.s. Every WDFW employee should be laid off until such time fishing is open state wide. Too dangerous out there to arrest poachers and way way to dangerous to place anyone in jail if they are caught so why are we paying them?


Are you suggesting that every WDFW employee is a LEO?

Oh, and did you happen to catch the news about how Seattle auto thefts are WAY WAY up over the past month? Bad guys know that folks aren't using their vehicles so the loss may not be noticed. Bad guys tend to take advantage of such lapses in oversight and especially LEO absence.


Seriously? Seattle?
the city that doesn't enforce laws and arrest criminals?
They just let out a bunch of NON-Violent offenders (thieves are non violent.. kind of....)
LMAO......

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#1028306 - 04/17/20 07:44 PM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: Priority2]
Larry B Offline
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Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 2831
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Originally Posted By: Priority2
Originally Posted By: Larry B
Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
p.s. Every WDFW employee should be laid off until such time fishing is open state wide. Too dangerous out there to arrest poachers and way way to dangerous to place anyone in jail if they are caught so why are we paying them?


Are you suggesting that every WDFW employee is a LEO?

Oh, and did you happen to catch the news about how Seattle auto thefts are WAY WAY up over the past month? Bad guys know that folks aren't using their vehicles so the loss may not be noticed. Bad guys tend to take advantage of such lapses in oversight and especially LEO absence.


Seriously? Seattle?
the city that doesn't enforce laws and arrest criminals?
They just let out a bunch of NON-Violent offenders (thieves are non violent.. kind of....)
LMAO......


Yup, that Seattle.
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#1028336 - 04/18/20 10:56 AM Re: Washington closed to fishing [Re: WN1A]
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Originally Posted By: WN1A
This is a fun article from the New York Times about Maryland's Covid 19 closures. They have an R governor and no tribes to blame.

No Fishing


Thanks for that, nicely written piece.

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