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#1035451 - 07/29/20 02:02 PM Topshot Braid to mono knot
homesick in san diego Offline
Egg

Registered: 05/17/06
Posts: 4
Loc: SoCal
Been trying to rig a Topshot of 20 lb. mono to 30 lb. braid using a double uni knot. Problem is the mono part of the knot doesn't go thru rod guides smoothly -- yielding a "professional overrun" most casts.

Am planning on running a bobber and eggs setup from river bank for fall salmon.

Simplest solution would be to not use a Topshot and just run the mainline to a swivel & attach the leader to the other end of the swivel.

Would prefer to use the topshot method but need better way to to join it to the braid mainline.

Been stuck in San Diego fer 20 odd years -- finally made it home in 2018.

Did very little fishin in San Diego. Last year borrowed a beater vintage lami fiberglass w/a beater Shimano spinning reel and managed to hook 4 or 5 pinks, landing 2 ( the first one was as bigga rush as the 42 lber I landed in the Sole Duc 30 sum years ago!!). Also managed to hook a coupla Kings but practiced my patented "long distance release" on both.

Recently picked up a Shimano Clarus CSC86M2D rod and was planning on putting an old Bantam Black Manum 101 on it but even after cleaning and lube it was still unserviceable...picked up a Quantum Accurist baitcaster on OfferUp for cheap and went to the Kalama and the Nisqually a coupla times to practice casting n "knock summa da rust off.

Started out getting backlashes every 2 outta three casts but after a few hours very few if any backlashes and casting distance was good.

Tied on a float and went fishin and back to backlashing every 2 outta 3 casts. Went home and cleaned the egg juice, sand, and old grease out of it n lubed the reel, removed a wind knot, hooked line to immovable object and reeled maself in...still not getting much distance and backlashing. Only thing I kin think of is that the aforementioned knot is the cause.

Any help or advice would be wonderful and greatly appreciated.

Thanx fer takin the time to read and, hopefully, reply

Take care, stay safe n tight lines
Roger
P.s. While the quantum is ok I'm planning on getting sumthin a lil more suitable in a left-hander. Lookin to spend up to bout $200 max. Would appreciate any advice. I mainly fish rivers fer salmon & steelhead using jigs, bait, floats and spinners/spoons.


Edited by homesick in san diego (07/29/20 02:07 PM)
Edit Reason: Too many fat fingerings

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#1035456 - 07/29/20 02:10 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
ArvidBarker Offline
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Registered: 04/04/13
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Loc: Monterey CA
Get a Daiwa Tatula SV TW for under 2 bills. Nix the top shot. Keep it simple. You will never backlash again.
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#1035460 - 07/29/20 02:38 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
wsu Offline
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Registered: 06/23/04
Posts: 410
There is no reason to use a topshot to bobber fish eggs. Just skip it and make things simpler.

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#1035475 - 07/29/20 04:08 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
Denham Offline
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Registered: 05/30/15
Posts: 94
Loc: Maple Valley
I agree with the others in that you don't need a topshot when float fishing.

However, if you ever do need to go braid to mono the two go-to knots are the Albright and FG knot. Albright is simple and clean through the guides. FG is complicated but slimmest knot there is and also the strongest. Albright will suffice for any kind of salmon fishing we do around here though.

Uni to uni.... sucks!

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#1035477 - 07/29/20 04:22 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: Denham]
Ward Offline
Parr

Registered: 09/14/09
Posts: 68
Originally Posted By: Denham
FG is complicated but slimmest knot there is and also the strongest. Albright will suffice for any kind of salmon fishing we do around here though.

Uni to uni.... sucks!


I agree completely but you're understating the fun of the FG knot by just saying it is complicated. Anyone tying one for the first time really believes there are three consonants and two vowels missing in the name.

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#1035490 - 07/29/20 08:00 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
thaxor Offline
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Registered: 08/07/06
Posts: 391
Loc: Olympia, WA
I fish 30lb braid to anything between 10 - 20lb mono and have no problems with uni to uni knot. Maybe adjust your magnetic brake or give it some more thumb. The Albright is an upgrade for sure though.

For fall salmon I go straight from braid to lead weight and leader and don't seem to have problems, even in very clear low water for Kings/Coho.

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#1035494 - 07/29/20 09:00 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
homesick in san diego Offline
Egg

Registered: 05/17/06
Posts: 4
Loc: SoCal
Thanx everyone fer the valuable info, truly appreciated!

Why do people use topshots? I'm guessin it's when they use lures? I wuz kinda thinking bout a hole I fished last year that had a big mess o braid in it and thought the topshot might help prevent me from addin to that kinda pollution.

Also braid seems to abrade a lil worse than mono...but then you've got an extra knot and the power pro I've been using seems pretty tough so I guess it's a six of one half doz of the other kinda thing.

The mono I wuz usin was awfully thick -- pulled off of a spool of twenty some year old stren (yeah, I know ya shouldn't use line that old but it was unopened and sitting in a storage unit), think that wuz mosta the problem. Had been using some 12 lb as a top shot and the uni knot slid thru the guides just fine.

Spent some time on my casting today and after fiddlin w/the reel's brake and friction controls I was able to eliminate the backlashes (kinda new to baitcasting, and haven't fished much the since the mid to late 90s so that's probably the primary source of ma troubles). Another reason I wuz having trouble was the light weight and the aerodynamics, i.e. would shoot off the reel just fine and then put on the brakes mid-cast.

Sure is great to get back on the rivers in our great PNW!!

Sorry, tend to ramble on.

Thanx again fer the replies

Take care,
Roger

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#1035496 - 07/29/20 09:30 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
ArvidBarker Offline
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Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 4108
Loc: Monterey CA
Originally Posted By: homesick in san diego

Why do people use topshots?
Other than for fishing tuna in order to get bit,beats me.
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#1035588 - 07/31/20 07:47 AM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: ArvidBarker]
bobrr Offline
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Registered: 08/21/18
Posts: 130
I use a crazy alberto knot for braid to mono as a topshot, 40 lb. braid to 40 lb. mono, small diameter knot, passes through eyelets easily and that's with 40 lb.! Keeps the line in the clip for downrigger fishing. Nice to see that high vis mono coming in, feels better when the knot comes in. Braid is just to small for putting in a clip. That being said, for freshwater action the line is straight 15 lb. braid, keeps in the clips just fine. Smaller diameter line I just use uni to uni knot. Neither knot has ever let me down.

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#1035596 - 07/31/20 10:21 AM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: ArvidBarker]
SeaDNA Offline
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Registered: 11/17/04
Posts: 353
Originally Posted By: ArvidBarker
Originally Posted By: homesick in san diego

Why do people use topshots?
Other than for fishing tuna in order to get bit,beats me.

For down rigger trolling I use a mono topshot all the time as it sticks much better in the Scotty release clips than braid (especially for deep down rigger use).

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#1035613 - 07/31/20 01:20 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: SeaDNA]
ArvidBarker Offline
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Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 4108
Loc: Monterey CA
We still use wire on our downriggers. Of course there are other fisheries where a mono topshot is desirable,but boober fishing for salmonids is overkill. I dunno. Do whatever.
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#1035615 - 07/31/20 01:46 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
Evo Offline
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Registered: 03/29/14
Posts: 5530
braid in clips can be a PITA, thats one reason that people will run top shots, also for the stretch, like with Kokanee fishing, braid is too stiff and the fish will rip the hooks out of their mouths sometimes.. some will then use a snubber, but i feel the dodgers lose action with snubbers...

for river fishing, i run braid on everything, just put a swivel and then a leader...

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#1035645 - 07/31/20 07:45 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: Evo]
ArvidBarker Offline
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Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 4108
Loc: Monterey CA
Evo knows.
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#1035648 - 07/31/20 11:54 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
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40# Mono shots over 65# braid for the riggers. Send it.
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#1035649 - 08/01/20 07:50 AM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
ericl Offline
Alevin

Registered: 04/07/18
Posts: 19
Best is to use hollow braid & thread the mono. I like this served connection:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI-wPwmgmzg

I built a clamp station from plywood, carraiage bolts with twin rubber backed washers on each bolt to clamp the line.

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#1035650 - 08/01/20 08:02 AM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: ericl]
ArvidBarker Offline
The Crybaby King

Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 4108
Loc: Monterey CA
rofl Why not use crimps,the good ones ,and go big or go home? You could also use fly line dressing for that greased line effect on your flourocarbon leader,get that drag free drift! Better use 20 split shot in varying sizes to account for the complex currents underwater.
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#1035710 - 08/03/20 06:42 AM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: homesick in san diego]
Swifty27 Offline
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Registered: 08/21/13
Posts: 387
Loc: Tri-Cities, WA
Originally Posted By: homesick in san diego

Why do people use topshots?


40lb mono holds better in my downrigger clips.

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#1035715 - 08/03/20 09:42 AM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: Swifty27]
ArvidBarker Offline
The Crybaby King

Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 4108
Loc: Monterey CA
Originally Posted By: Swifty27
Originally Posted By: homesick in san diego

Why do people use topshots?


40lb mono holds better in my downrigger clips.
lol you guys are funny. This guy isn't asking about downrigging. He is talking about float fishing .
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#1035721 - 08/03/20 11:16 AM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: ArvidBarker]
bobrr Offline
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Registered: 08/21/18
Posts: 130
Originally Posted By: ArvidBarker
Originally Posted By: Swifty27
Originally Posted By: homesick in san diego

Why do people use topshots?


40lb mono holds better in my downrigger clips.
lol you guys are funny. This guy isn't asking about downrigging. He is talking about float fishing .

The orig. poster asked about the best knot to connect braid to mono. Or can't you read anything except your own crap. If the thread started going in another direction B.F.D. Go back to the dark side where no-one actually catches fish anymore ,just engages in pointless bullsh*t. What DO you contribute to this forum much less contribute in a positive way to anything? F.U. in advance of your pointless post, I'm done with this thread since you've arrived.

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#1035722 - 08/03/20 02:32 PM Re: Topshot Braid to mono knot [Re: bobrr]
ArvidBarker Offline
The Crybaby King

Registered: 04/04/13
Posts: 4108
Loc: Monterey CA
Originally Posted By: bobrr
What DO you contribute to this forum much less contribute in a positive way to anything?


"Am planning on running a bobber and eggs setup from river bank for fall salmon. "-OP

"Get a Daiwa Tatula SV TW for under 2 bills. Nix the top shot. Keep it simple. You will never backlash again." -ME

That's what I contributed. Sounds like you got triggered.
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