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#1041529 - 11/06/20 10:12 AM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Salman]
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Originally Posted By: Salman
Originally Posted By: slabhunter
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In a manner consistent with this goal, the department shall seek to maintain the economic well-being and stability of the fishing industry in the state.

The department shall promote orderly fisheries and shall enhance and improve recreational and commercial fishing in this state.


The Northern intercept fisheries take care of the industry obligation IMHO.


What is the obligation?


Did you not read Bushbear's and Todd's posts setting forth RCW 77.04.012?

The issues become how well those obligations are carried out.
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#1041636 - 11/06/20 05:55 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Salman]
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Strange, nowhere does it say take all the Chum & Coho out of the Snohomish system & shut it down for 3 years. Says quite the opposite to my understanding. These people in the department just do what they want & don’t even follow their own rules, selfish...
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#1041767 - 11/08/20 01:42 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Salman]
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While there is the mandate to ensure a viable commercial fishery, I believe that a court (State) held that the recreational crab fishery could be considered commercial because of the economic impact. Further, the Tribal fishery is commercial and keeping that viable would seem to meet the commercial/recreational industry split going.

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#1041777 - 11/08/20 06:55 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
While there is the mandate to ensure a viable commercial fishery, I believe that a court (State) held that the recreational crab fishery could be considered commercial because of the economic impact. Further, the Tribal fishery is commercial and keeping that viable would seem to meet the commercial/recreational industry split going.


The mandate says a lot more than ensuring commercial fisheries. Lots to focus on besides the commercial aspect.
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#1041844 - 11/09/20 09:43 AM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Salman]
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Todd and Bushbear are correct. The fish and wildlife resources within State boundaries belong to the State. The State has the authority to manage them in manner consistent with State law, for the benefit of the people of the State. That’s the case in all 50 States. Nothing new here. We can (and do) argue about how they manage these resources, but we ought not argue about the authority to do so.

I would add that the Tribes have co-management authority in their ‘usual and accustomed places’ in Washington (and Oregon), so they have the authority to manage those resources consistent with Tribal law, in cooperation with the State.

To the extent that folks didn't realize this, it is a good reminder.

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#1043189 - 12/06/20 10:16 AM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: cohoangler]
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The tribes have the final say so, WDFW always takes a back seat.
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#1043192 - 12/06/20 11:09 AM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: fish4brains]
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The tribes have the final say so, WDFW always takes a back seat.


Thanks, Socrates.
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#1043200 - 12/06/20 11:57 AM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: dwatkins]
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Originally Posted By: dwatkins
Originally Posted By: Worst Troll Ever
The tribes have the final say so, WDFW always takes a back seat.


Thanks, Socrates.
Am I dumb for reading "so-crates" like Bill and Ted? lol

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#1043202 - 12/06/20 12:02 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: ]
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The tribes have the final say so, WDFW always takes a back seat.


Thanks, Socrates.
Am I dumb for reading "so-crates" like Bill and Ted? lol


Lol I do the same. Loved Bill’s step mom.
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#1043207 - 12/06/20 01:17 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: dwatkins]
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Originally Posted By: dwatkins
Originally Posted By: ArvidBarker
Originally Posted By: dwatkins
Originally Posted By: Worst Troll Ever
The tribes have the final say so, WDFW always takes a back seat.


Thanks, Socrates.
Am I dumb for reading "so-crates" like Bill and Ted? lol


Lol I do the same. Loved Bill’s step mom.
Dude. That's your mom dude...

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#1043296 - 12/08/20 02:51 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Salman]
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"The department shall promote orderly fisheries and shall enhance and improve recreational and commercial fishing in this state."

If it wasn't so sad that would be fvcking hilarious!
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#1043650 - 12/13/20 02:36 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Salman]
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The new rules do nothing but retard the Steelhead fishery on the coast. “Retarded” not “enhanced”. How much influence did Fergussen & Inslee have on these new rules?


Edited by Salman (12/13/20 02:37 PM)
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#1043653 - 12/13/20 02:56 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: Salman]
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None. Neither the AG or Guvner gives a rats ass about steelhead, let alone how they are fished for.

Only time those two will step in now is if it inconveniences the tribes or Puget Sound Orcas.

Best to keep the stupid left/right political feelings crap on the dark side.

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#1043656 - 12/13/20 03:27 PM Re: Does this seem selfish to anyone else? [Re: The Moderator]
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Correct .

"The department shall promote orderly fisheries..."
Back in the day meant commercial fisheries.

The merger of the agencies was meant to communicate better to protect our public resource. The sad fact is Food fish, harvest at all cost "management" was elevated.

IMHO they should have been dismissed. Our public resource should have been preserved for the future generations.
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