What’s up with these Addicted dick riders coming out of the woodwork? Marlin and Co. profit off depleted fish runs, blow up local honeyholes for the world to see, yet offer NOTHING in return to offset the pressure they bring to the resource.

More dark side prospects (if that still existed).

Q: Does 30 years of boat payments make someone a mod?
A: LOL

I'm afraid that you have it backwards bro. The Hoodsport hatchery population was derived from wild fish from the Dungeness and Dosewallips Rivers in 1953.

NOAA Technical Memorandum, NMFS-NWFSC-25..., February 1996

Any fish that is spawned in the wild is a wild fish. Native fish are wild fish that evolved in that system. We have plenty of wild fish, but few native.

At risk of completely changing the direction of this thread. I’ve always wondered and had many conversations about how many truly native fish are left in Washington. 100% in basin, native fish with zero hatchery fish DNA anywhere in their lineage. I honestly don’t think there are any unfortunately, but I do agree with your definitions of wild and native fish.

There are some native runs around. Chehalis Springers are one and some late Coho in certain streams.

Makes sense with Chehalis Springers especially. Never any hatcheries in that basin for them, correct?

Not in recent times but not sure about way back. Lots of things went on last century and example is 5 million Fall Chinook eggs transferred from old Schafer Park hatchery to upper Chehalis Hatchery and they perished when the hatchery had a problem. So this, normal timed Coho, Chum, and Fall Chinook have had stocks moved all over and it is the smaller runs like Springers and Late Coho that remained untouched. The Bingham Late Coho are not the same as the native late Coho that used to be mostly late Dec and Jan returning fish. You just about have to be an historian to track this stuff.

The addicted boys should make a video on those Springers. FISH ON!!! OMG did you SEE THAT!

Tell me about it. Coming in to a lot of this knowledge over the last couple years I feel I feel in over my head. Trying to soak up as much as possible especially for the Grays Harbor region. Seems like every day I find new historical records. That said, feel free to PM me any historical papers you feel like sharing.

Also, just because hatchery fish were stocked in watershed, or strays there, does not (necessarily) mean the native genome was changed. Selection weeds out the maladapted. Except in humans, where we elect them.

I and reading about a 40 year study the Grants did on Galapagos Finches on on tiny island. Lots happened over 40 years. New species were evened, hybridization, and so on. One finding, though, was that one species present in year 40 was demonstrably different from what it was in year 0. Natural processes, including evolution, changed them.

I suspect that the only place where you might have the same native fish as you had 200 years ago is in a watershed untouched by humans or natural change in climate.

Life out there is a heck of a lot more complex and varied than we want to believe.

Half this thread fishes Dose Pinks and is just mad someone is in their honey hole.

There is a lot of even year pinks that return their. I could probably score some killer footage there this year bro!