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#1057643 - 09/22/21 12:41 PM Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW
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This is interesting as to this, what the hell about AK & BC intercepts? This has all the earmarks of a dog an pony show.


WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
1111 Washington St. SE, Olympia, WA 98501
wdfw.wa.gov


September 22, 2021
Contact: Fish Program, 360-902-2700
Public Affairs Contact: Eryn Couch, 360-890-6604
State seeks public input to inform conservation and rebuilding of Puget Sound Chinook
Comments accepted online through Oct. 22
OLYMPIA – The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) is looking for public feedback on a scoping document to inform actions to conserve and rebuild Puget Sound Chinook salmon.
“We recognize the vast community of people invested in the conservation and restoration of Puget Sound Chinook salmon,” said Kyle Adicks, WDFW intergovernmental salmon manager. “It’s important that we have the right information in hand as we work to improve habitat protection, accelerate habitat restoration, and update with tribal co-managers a long-term fishery management plan for Puget Sound Chinook salmon.”
The Governor’s Salmon Recovery Office’s 2020 State of Salmon in Watersheds report categorized Puget Sound Chinook Salmon as “in crisis” due to the gap between the number of spawners and recovery goals, the slow progress in closing that gap, and the limited likelihood of progress in the near future.
WDFW’s scoping document provides information about fisheries management, tribal treaties, habitat protection, the Puget Sound Chinook Recovery Plan, coastwide fishery management forums, requirements for Endangered Species Act coverage, watershed specific information on habitat and Chinook salmon and Southern Resident killer whale recovery.
Members of the public can review the scoping document and provide their feedback online at publicinput.com/Q4343. Public comment will be accepted through Oct. 22.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife works to preserve, protect and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
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#1057644 - 09/22/21 12:47 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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Nobody os willing to touch AK. BC seems to be swinging towards just FN fishing so they may be a smaller player.

Didja notice that Bering Sea crab (Snow and King) is crashing? Amongst other things. There are really big problems out in the Big Blue, but we'll keep boats away from whales and fix a culvert our two.

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#1057648 - 09/22/21 05:43 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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Don’t forget the trawlers, join stop alaska trawler bycatch on facebook to understand that whole picture. As for ps chinook if they want to recover them they’ll have to find a better way to catch and process besides use nets and sell fish.
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#1057650 - 09/22/21 07:39 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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Doom...

“ Our WDFW intergovernmental salmon manager. “

Only thing better than one government screwing up the salmon management, and that would be “many governments” with Intergovernmental Managers all tugging on the taxpayers dime -

To save the salmon.......

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#1057651 - 09/22/21 07:58 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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I looked at the washington commercial fisheries and saw non-natives were way low(opportunity) and natives were a lot higher(opportunity) which brought me to the conclusion washington fisheries just suck it’s really not anyones(locally) fault, it’s all upstream(+80%), Alaska(1st), Canada(2nd).


Edited by Salman (09/22/21 08:01 PM)
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#1057654 - 09/22/21 11:44 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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The critter is being snuffed out at EVERY life stage from gravel to gravel. Since there is no single smoking gun on which to place the definitive blame, the fish continue to die the death of 1000 cuts. No single wound is bad enough to inflict irreversible damage on its own, so bad things that hurt them are allowed to continue at "harmless" background levels because stopping any one them would prove to be too socio-economically disruptive to modern life.

But when all those seemingly innocuous insults are taken in the aggregate, well, let's just say the critter is doomed.
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#1057655 - 09/23/21 06:51 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: eyeFISH]
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Originally Posted By: eyeFISH
T Since there is no single smoking gun on which to place the definitive blame, the fish continue to die the death of 1000 cuts. No single wound is bad enough to inflict irreversible damage on its own


Likewise, no single conservation measure is sufficient enough to demonstrate a measurable increase salmon abundance. So even when we implement an important conservation measure (which can be controversial), there may not be a measurable increase in salmon abundance. So the conclusion is that the conservation measure "didn't work" b/c we didn't see any benefit. It is subsequently dropped, even though it might have been quite important.

Only when multiple and sustained conservation measures are implemented, across time and space, will we see a corresponding increase in abundance.


Edited by cohoangler (09/23/21 06:52 AM)

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#1057656 - 09/23/21 07:08 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: cohoangler]
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Quote:
Only when multiple and sustained conservation measures are implemented, across time and space, will we see a corresponding increase in abundance.


It will only happen when a federal judge says " you shall.........."

Then to be honest I am not sure that would solve it either. Across the planet fish stocks have been depleted and thing is there is a tipping point that if a species is driven low enough in numbers from the historic norm that the pressures of predation and nature simply dictates that recovery is not possible. Depleting Washington Salmon stocks has happened before but back then it was simply stop terminal over harvest and the fish rebounded. Now with hydro power that changes the equation but the big difference is MARINE harvest which did not exist as it does today 90 years ago. Doc has it right from my seat about a thousand cuts but I do think the harvest one gets the throat ear to ear.
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#1057659 - 09/23/21 08:17 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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I believe that the problem is so big out in the N Pacific that even one judge saying "you shall" still won't cut it. It cuts across various nations; Canada, Russia, Japan, China, Taiwan and others would need to join in. Mismanagment of fish here in the northern hemisphere is killing seabirds in the southern; their involvement should be required, too.

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#1057661 - 09/23/21 09:38 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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I agree. The ocean harvest issues are enormous. It's both the directed fisheries on salmon in national and international waters but also by-catch in other fisheries such as trawling for pollock.

So , yes we need to work with several foreign countries including Canada and Alaska.

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#1057668 - 09/23/21 01:42 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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It is the harvest of all species along the break line.

The same line I look at to chase TUNA! The satellites show chloro . food.

Squid and other critters the salmon feed on are harvested at a rate that diminishes the return. Add to that the trawl impact in Northern non directed fisheries


Like the halibut, Northern fisheries kill more fish than is total allowable catch in our area.


Edited by slabhunter (09/23/21 02:04 PM)
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#1057669 - 09/23/21 04:07 PM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Carcassman]
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
I believe that the problem is so big out in the N Pacific that even one judge saying "you shall" still won't cut it. It cuts across various nations; Canada, Russia, Japan, China, Taiwan and others would need to join in. Mismanagment of fish here in the northern hemisphere is killing seabirds in the southern; their involvement should be required, too.


Originally Posted By: cohoangler
I agree. The ocean harvest issues are enormous. It's both the directed fisheries on salmon in national and international waters but also by-catch in other fisheries such as trawling for pollock.

So , yes we need to work with several foreign countries including Canada and Alaska.


I think you would find it useful to look at the NPAFC web site linked below. All of the salmon producing nations of the North Pacific are working together for the protection of salmonids in international waters. There are no legal directed fisheries on salmon in international waters and enforcement is strict.

About NPAFC

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#1057672 - 09/24/21 07:04 AM Re: Puget Sound Chinook & WDFW [Re: Rivrguy]
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If "working together" includes flooding the N Pacific with hatchery pinks that are eating everything in sight and are correlated with declines in Chinook, coho, sockeye, pink, whales, plankton, and seabirds.

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