#1057763 - 10/06/21 08:35 AM
Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
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River Nutrients
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10/06/2021
QIN numbers for 1st Schedule days, 9/26---29
Chinook------995
Chum--------- 21
Coho---------2276
from WDFW web site........Someone in Region 6 is working, thanks for posting numbers.
Oh, they are past the Model numbers, now what?????
Edited by DrifterWA (10/06/21 08:36 AM)
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#1057770 - 10/06/21 11:41 AM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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Keep on fishing. The agreements are for a fixed schedule, regardless of catch. Since they are fishing at a rate, not a number, they will still achieve escapement goal as they will only take x%, regardless of run size. Has worked perfectly in the past, so why not now?
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#1057781 - 10/06/21 07:06 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
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Keep on fishing. The agreements are for a fixed schedule, regardless of catch. Since they are fishing at a rate, not a number, they will still achieve escapement goal as they will only take x%, regardless of run size. Has worked perfectly in the past, so why not now? Wait minute? Actually in the past fixed fish numbers were the norm back in the 70's & 80's, based on run predictions. I remember on the Puyallup the 1983-84 winter Steelhead run forecast was a fixed number the tribes were allocated and a huge run showed up as well around the state, and the tribe achieved there quota number the first 3 weeks of Dec. Then the then WDG forced them to pull out having met the quota. The run continued to build all season and the tribes were out which produced a state leading sports catch. I guess they wised up and went to 50% of days of a season vs 50% of a forecasted quota number. Funny how the tide has turned. All of our salt sport fisheries are based on forecasted quota numbers instead of 50% of the season. Sucks balls if you ask me!
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#1057782 - 10/06/21 08:15 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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Sometime in the early-mid 80s WDG switched to HR-based fisheries. They did not believe they could update the runs and they further believed that fisheries occurred at fixed rates. If that was true, then regardless of run size the tribes took a fixed percentage of the run and the sporties took theirs. The rest was the escapement which was supposed to be always at or above goal.
Salmon were managed differently for a couple reasons. First were the "prior interceptions" that included sport, troll, C&S, and net dropout. These were based on the forecast, was was how the rec fisheries were initially scheduled. The commercial net fisheries were managed based on weekly in-season updates. With each update, the Priors were also updated and "new" 50:50 allocations set. Then, people fished to the number. Commercial net catch for all was reported to a centralized computer system with catch more than 95% complete within three days of the fishery.
I don't know how it is done toady other than there are few updates and catch data is not nearly as up-to-date. But we do know that the 50:50 sharing has been abandoned.
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#1057793 - 10/07/21 08:03 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 12/06/07
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How can the 50-50 sharing be abandoned when that's the law of the Bolt Decision? And if so, why are we not going to court to force the 50-50?
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#1057794 - 10/08/21 06:45 AM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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The Court mandated 50:50 but allows the parties (State and Tribes) to agree to something else. The Tribes have shown, as in the South Sound Chinook case, that they will go to court if they aren't getting their 50%. But, from what I understand, the State believes that it is in their best interest to agree to the Tribes exceeding 50%. Have to ask them, and then hope they give a transparent and complete answer.
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#1057864 - 10/12/21 04:47 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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10/12/2021
QIN Numbers, Chehalis, for 2nd Week....10/ 3 - 5
Chinook---------409
Chum------------112
Coho.........,2,614
Totals for 2 Netting Weeks..Chehalis
Chinook......... 1407
Chum............ 134
Coho............. 4915
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#1057865 - 10/12/21 06:29 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Three Time Spawner
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and thats just the ones that got counted!
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#1057866 - 10/12/21 07:05 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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CPUE pretty high for kings
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#1057867 - 10/12/21 10:30 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Registered: 06/09/07
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Loc: MA 5, 9, 10
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""But, from what I understand, the State believes that it is in their best interest to agree to the Tribes exceeding 50%."" From Pat Patillo, who has a BS from UW School of Fisheries, and 36 years at WDFW and was the Statewide Salmon Fishery Manager (1991-2000) and Policy Lead for Inter-jurisdictional Fisheries Management (2000-2009), ...from his sworn Declaration under punishment of perjury in District Court Case C70-9213: "The harvest imbalance is known and has occurred consistently for years. ... Based on the 2020 seasons approved by WDFW, the treaty tribes, and NMFS, ... the forecasted catch of Puget Sound Chinook salmon was 111,615 for the treaty tribes and 69,622 for the non-treaty fishers." ...which is 38% of the harvestable total. Then Patillo swears the WDFW agreed to non-treaty Puget Sound Chinook harvest percent of : 42% in 2019 43% in 2018 41% in 2017, thus providing proof that "it is known and has occurred consistently for years." Patillo: "For the years 2017 through 2020, it is estimated ...that non-treaty fisheries harvested 124,696 less Puget SOund Chinook than did the treaty fishers." Now, you can't blame the tribe for harvesting what was agreed to. So, who is at fault for not retaining our legal share of 50% per Boldt? (reference https://www.goskagit.com/news/fishing-gr...ce3070a003.htmland US DIstrict Court Western District USA v. State of Washington Case # C70-9213
Edited by ned (10/13/21 06:14 PM)
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#1057870 - 10/13/21 06:51 AM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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In a discussion of Hoh steelhead the question was asked of Phil Anderson, before he was director, as to why the NI side isn't fish in the last half of April as there were fish available in the NI share. The answer was "we got the fisheries we wanted". He would not define what those fisheries were or who "we" was. These NOF agreements are, by nature, "agreed to". WDFW is satisfied.
What we need to know is why they are satisfied.
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#1057892 - 10/16/21 01:33 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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Loc: Sheltona Beach
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Phil showed the bias of fisheries.
Harvest the foodfish, gamefish be damned.
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#1057894 - 10/16/21 04:15 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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It was a two way street. The Game side ignored salmon.
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#1057905 - 10/19/21 10:02 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: ned]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
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Now, you can't blame the tribe for harvesting what was agreed to. So, who is at fault for not retaining our legal share of 50% per Boldt?
Tribes may be ahead on salmon, but pretty certain the state is ahead on the shellfish side, esp out here on the coast. Crab and razor clams come quickly to mind.
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#1057908 - 10/20/21 06:53 AM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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The sharing in Boldt covers at least salmon, steelhead, marine fish, halibut, clams, and crab. As Doc notes, the QIN have given some of their razor clams to the state so a fishery could be opened.
I am removed of Phil Anderson's "We got the fishery we wanted" response as to why a particular steelhead fishery did not go for the NI share. What we, as stakeholders and license buyers need to know is why there are these deviations.
May need to go back to Ronnie's "Trust, but verify" mantra.
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#1057914 - 10/21/21 02:10 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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River Nutrients
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10/21/2021
QIN numbers for Week 42, 10/10 - 12
Chinook ------------ ------- 270
Chum ----------------------- 243
Coho ----------------------- 3,807
TOTAL FOR THE 3 Weeks
Chinook --------------------- 1,677
Chum --------------------- 377
Coho --------------------- 8,722
Sure would like to know Hatchery vs. Wild.
All my fishing has been above South Montesano, so its only legal to keep hatchery Adult Coho. I fish spoons, only 1 hatchery fish in my boat, LOTS of wild fish released.
Edited by DrifterWA (10/21/21 07:26 PM)
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#1057915 - 10/21/21 03:36 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
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10/21/2021
QIN numbers for Week 42, 10/10 - 12
Chinook ------------ ------- 270
Chum ----------------------- 377
Coho ----------------------- 8,722
most recent week kings 270 chum 243 coho 3807 3 week total is correct
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#1057916 - 10/21/21 03:53 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Talking last set only using this years modeled harvest, Coho massively over performed. Chinook were just opposite and catch was well below anticipated. The opposite of Chinook and Coho coming early with the rain Chum are an absolute no show which means they are late as the numbers cannot get that way.
Also the total numbers I have modeled are off due to this years season being a one week set back. That said the Nations Coho numbers are about 1300 above estimate. Chinook 235 is 200 and change over, and Chum 377 is way below 5683 anticipated harvest.
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#1057921 - 10/22/21 12:43 PM
Re: Chehalis, QIN Numbers, Salmon netted
[Re: DrifterWA]
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So are the fish being released by sportsmen really wild fish? I've been catching a lot of fish with small (1/2) adipose and deformed dorsal fins. To me those are misclipped hatchery fish. Not many at all true hatchery fish to kill above Fuller.
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