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#1060873 - 11/05/22 01:44 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: seabeckraised]
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River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7428
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Yep. It might be more surgical and better that way but it seems that steelhead and the rec fishers for steelhead are included at all. But, yes, terminal fisheries are much much smarter if you are interested in the fish.

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#1060882 - 11/08/22 01:03 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: seabeckraised]
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Registered: 03/13/20
Posts: 3
Loc: Marysville, WA
Terminal fisheries solve the open ocean mixed stock fishery problem, but cause issues when strong stocks on a given system have overlapping run timing with weak stocks. In particular, salmon commercial fisheries tend to hammer summer run steelhead. In BC, interior Fraser steelhead are on the brink of extinction and have been recommended for listing in the Canadian version of ESA. However, the BC and Canadian governments ignore the recommendations because they're going down the path of letting First Nations have total control of all fishing as a "reconciliation" measure. Listing steelhead would limit or stop the tribes' in-river sockeye gillnetting, so they refuse to do it. Similar story on the Dean where chum fisheries have been partly responsible for collapsing that amazing run of steelhead. Steelhead numbers on the Skeena are way down too. And salmon netting on WA coastal rivers has impacted our summer and early returning winter steelhead as well. A retired fisheries biologist up in BC runs a great blog documenting their issues, steelheadvoices.com . Until something changes with BC's management, I'd limit steelhead trips to the states unless you're OK with spending a huge amount of money to fish dying rivers.

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#1060883 - 11/08/22 01:47 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: seabeckraised]
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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Certainly even within a river you get mixed stock issues. The fisheries have to be selective. Canada does seem to be trying to wipe out steelhead as they are inconvenient to their social goals.

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#1060884 - 11/08/22 02:24 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: Carcassman]
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Registered: 11/24/03
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Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Certainly even within a river you get mixed stock issues. The fisheries have to be selective. Canada does seem to be trying to wipe out steelhead as they are inconvenient to their social goals.


Wow... went onto Hooton's blog. I knew I wouldn't like what I saw.

Thompson systematically wiped out... Skeena and Dean not far behind on the same path. Fish managers up and down the Pacific Rim $ukk@$$.
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#1060885 - 11/08/22 03:33 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: seabeckraised]
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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Yeah, Canada sucks at steelhead. They think WA is doing a good job.

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#1060886 - 11/08/22 03:53 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: Carcassman]
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Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3314
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Yeah, Canada sucks at steelhead. They think WA is doing a good job.


Dear God, what have we become? Deferring to Washington for steelhead management guidance would be a desperate position, indeed!

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#1060887 - 11/08/22 03:53 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: eyeFISH]
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Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3314
Originally Posted By: eyeFISH
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Certainly even within a river you get mixed stock issues. The fisheries have to be selective. Canada does seem to be trying to wipe out steelhead as they are inconvenient to their social goals.


Wow... went onto Hooton's blog. I knew I wouldn't like what I saw.

Thompson systematically wiped out... Skeena and Dean not far behind on the same path. Fish managers up and down the Pacific Rim $ukk@$$.


I concur.

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#1060889 - 11/08/22 08:26 PM Re: Surplus Hatchery Fish [Re: seabeckraised]
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Bob's blog should be required reading for those interested in out PNW salmonid's future, especially steelhead.

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