I work in downtown Seattle...walked to the Pike place and was horrified at the amount of wild (intact) adipose finned natives that were for sale 3.99 a pound, that means they probally were purchased for around 1.50-2.00 a pound? What a crying shame!!!!! The fish monger i talked to about this said they were from the Hoh river.Folks its time to picket these fish purveyors.My question to you intelligent people is...do we need a permit? Does private property mean anything? I have a friend that works for King tv that might be of some assistance. Lets not wait any longer my fellow steelheader's. Please i want to hear from you and any of your ideas or comments, thanks for reading, Ron

Put something together and I will be there. Its time it stoped. The gill netting in the rivers just has to stop.

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Give some notice, and I will be there. Weekends are bad for me.
I can't believe the amount of wild fish being harvested, and for around $1 a pound. What a shame. It doesn't even seem worthwhile to keep netting for such a little profit, yet the netting continues.

At $2 a pound it wouldn't cost that much to pay the tribes not to fish. All the funds spent on habitat, hatcheries and etc. seem to be wasted if the tribes are going to gillnet the rivers. Maybe the first investment in wild steelhead would be to subsidise not netting during the native season.

I was at the Boats Afloat Show on Lake Union this weekend. I usually eat lunch at Chandler's Crab House, but they were advertising "Wild Steelhead", so my freinds and I ate at Cuchina Cuchina instead. Another place to boycott.

Without a doubt. It is time to not only picket, but to make phone calls to Pacific Seafood 425-347-7994 (Mukilteo), definatly boycott any restuarant that sells these fish, and let them know why, preferably in written form. If everyone spent 25% of the time that they spent on this forum on making the sales of these fish uncomfortable for all involved, then the purveyors would rethink things. I am in the restuarant industry and am constantly telling people not to buy these fish, but we need more action. This has been going for way too many years.
Lets Make It Happen!

Thanks fava for the following

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fava:
If everyone spent 25% of the time that they spent on this forum on making the sales of these fish uncomfortable for all involved, then the purveyors would rethink things.

Think about what you can do?

We should make sure to keep the topic on banning gill nets and stopping the harvesting and selling of wild steelhead, and not be anti-tribe. Let people know that the commercial harvesting and selling of wild steelhead has to stop.
Also if anyone has a list of establishments that sell or purchase wild steelhead, post it.
I know it would be helpful to give to people as a list of places to avoid.

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IT'S ON! Lets make it happen. now is a good time to do it while the fishing is slow. (it should be red hot this time of year)

Hey, lets pay them off enough so they can start their own micro brewery that way they can make a profit while keeping their main food source.(ha-ha?)

I dont want to bore anyone with the details about why the tribes fish commercially.
I couldnt have any problem with the tribes fishing for sustenance. That's what the Stevens Treaties and Boldt decision were all about. And at the going rate of $.75 per lb, the tribes have to realize they're doing more harm than good, even to themselves. If they'd cut back, the supply would go down, if demand remains level then the price will go up. They wouldnt have to work so hard or take so many fish to make the same $bucks.
Paying them not to fish would be easy, if (according to some) so much of the $$$ wasnt going up their noses or wherever.

Thats all their tradition and our future is worth .75 to 1.00 a pound.

Only together can we make a difference.....Os

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But in all reality something has to be done about the comercial fishermen!

I actually think the low prices for wild steelhead, both in the market, and what the tribes are getting, reflect some awareness of the public that eating wild steelhead is not a good thing. Geez, there already selling the fish for a buck or two less per lb then the farms are selling triploid rainbows.

And look at how the markets talk up the wild kings when they come into season (Columbia R., Alaska, Copper R.), yet steelhead are sold in only a few select areas.

I think the pressure put on by individuals and groups are working. Although I don't keep tabs on prices, I seem to recall the .70 per lb price has been around for a number of seasons, meaning price and demand are pretty stagnant. I've also only seen steelhead sold during the winter; haven't seen summer steelhead for sale. I actually wonder where a lot of the steelhead is going, since it only shows up in the markets for a short time during the winter.

As for paying the tribes not to fish; this is something they have never been receptive too. They want to keep their treaty fishing rights.

Bottom line, continuing to educate the public will keep prices and demand down to hopefully a point where it just isn't worth catching enough fish for the market.

I've waged my own war against these markets for years. Every time I go to pike place I make a point to to stop by all the fish markets to give them hell about the piles of wild OP steelhead, It just makes me sick everytime I see it. My other half won't even stand by me anymore when were nearing a fish market she just keeps walking. So people, you can count me in anytime, How about this weekend. We need to do this fairly soon while the wild fish are still there. It's time we stand up and let our voices be heard as a group. WE MUST ACT NOW TO SAVE OUR WILD FISH. The state and the tribes sure as hell aren't doing anything.

Hmm, Now, Lemme see if I got this straight.

"Tribe not fish. Want more Wampum"
" $.70 a pound, thats all I'll pay. Not a penny more."
"Great White Father Geedub, Red Man need help. White man not buy fish. Send money. Need money, or make more Red Kids."

Anyhow, if it werent for the sake of the fish runs, it might be cheaper to let them decimate the runs completely, then restock with Atlantic Species. Then the tribes wouldnt have anymore fish to have a claim to.

Oh well, It looks like Ive got too much time on my hands.

I say we donate one day of our beloved hobby and get out there and raise some hell! I say we get every able bodied; bait chuckin, plug pullin, light linning, soggy sock wearin, beer drinkin, weird hatted, loomis loving, fly swinging, rock climbing, net hating, indian despising, red blooded, american we can find, and get our vioces heard.

Just think guys.... Give one day for all of those Native steelies/Salmon that gave US some of there time that we will remember forever.
JUST ONE DAY... We have presidents day, MLK day, lets give one day for the fish. If every steelhead and salmon fisherman came to Seattle to get our point across, we would be making great strides in getting those damn nets out! Why not pick a day and gather the troops to see if we can do something???

just a thought...

- BW

Bank Walker!! you da man, lmfao good post!! funnier then hell :> )

obsessed, you wonder where all the fish go, ask Pacific Seafood Company, they actually ship most of the steelhead out of state, to other markets, but mainly to supermarkets in the midwest. It is an easy sale for them, fresh salmon like fish out of the knowledge zone, the people who buy have no idea where they come from and care even less. In Washington, it is a bit of a hassle to sell wild steelhead, you need a permit, once i was told that it cost $500 bucks, but i find that hard to believe. Pressure on any market or restaurant will slowly have effect, especially if it can be consistent. I will make some calls in the morning and see if i can find out some specifics so that i can post some names.It is also time to pressure our fine lawmakers into passing a law that forbids the sale of wild steelhead. This has already been done in Oregon, ten years ago!
Save our wild Steelhead.

Bank Walker -
Great post, but you will find that most people will complain about and not stand up for this issue.
Check out my post in the Thread "Wild Steelhead for sale".
After posting my willingness to help organize some people the thread was dropped. I even posted my email and got only one response, and this person had not posted in the thread. Where did all the angry and upset posters go? No one posted there anymore, but 3 new threads popped up with/about the same info on markets and picketing.
I think your "Just One Day" quote is perfect, but I think that a big rally would be better off at the Capitol steps. They have resident news media there, it makes things look bigger, and should garner more interest.
I also think that we could accomplish alot by having a one day picket at our local markets across the state. ahh hell...it's all in my other post and I don't expect to see anymore posts here (but new ones will surface) so why the hell am I writing?

Peace...

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