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#119275 - 08/16/01 05:36 PM getting the lead out
Northriver Offline
Fry

Registered: 08/12/01
Posts: 26
Loc: Pendleton
today I was going through my tackle box repainting wigglewarts and kwikfish when I opened up my weight box I started lookign over the weights that I had and the weights that I needed for trolling for the fall. After a while I started wondering isnt the lead we use for weights in rivers the same lead they use in shotgun shells you know the ones they banned from duck hunting because the lead was toxic and was bad for the fish in the rivers. Now if I am write this makes no sense considering most anglers run from 2-20 oz. of lead on most trips to the river. With my luck I am probably way off on this subject but it is something to think about
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#119276 - 08/16/01 05:44 PM Re: getting the lead out
Finegrain Offline
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Registered: 06/05/00
Posts: 487
Loc: Woodinville, WA, USA
I think the difference is that lead shot is likely to be ingested by critters that mistake it for seeds. Stomach acids then cause the lead to break down into the animal's system much quicker than if it is in a 1 oz to 10 lb hunk that sits at the bottom of a river or the ocean. It's not harmless that way either, though.

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Woodinville
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#119277 - 08/16/01 06:01 PM Re: getting the lead out
Dogfish Offline
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Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10979
Loc: McCleary, WA
Most of the issues surrounding lead weights and shot has to do with the ingestion of the lead. Ducks, geese, swans, and other birds regularly take up small stones and pebbles when eating. These congregate in their digestive tract along with lead shot, and that is how these birds die from lead poisoning.

Allthough it would be quite interesting to see a cormorant ingest a 20 oz lead ball, USFWS's primary concern is with the use of splitshot type weights of 1 oz or less, but that won't stop some of the greenies there from trying to ban all lead.

I have used some of those no-lead weights, and they did work just fine, but I am uncertain how a 4 oz pyramid weight would be detrimental to the wildlife in the area, as lead is a relatively stable metal, unlike steel or copper. That said, if anyone has more info, I would be happy to learn.


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#119278 - 08/16/01 06:18 PM Re: getting the lead out
Northriver Offline
Fry

Registered: 08/12/01
Posts: 26
Loc: Pendleton
I thought there was something in the lead such as a chemical that would harm fish. Any other theories
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#119279 - 08/16/01 06:40 PM Re: getting the lead out
Finegrain Offline
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Registered: 06/05/00
Posts: 487
Loc: Woodinville, WA, USA
Lead is often alloyed with antimony, to give it some rigidity. However, the antimony isn't particularly toxic.
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#119280 - 08/17/01 02:38 AM Re: getting the lead out
RPetzold Offline
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Registered: 11/04/99
Posts: 1143
Loc: Everett, Wa
Many states have banned the use of lead as their fisheries don't rely on heavy use of lead weights as do our steelhead/salmon fisheries. Many of these laws have been passed in states trying to protect Blue Ribbon trout streams that provide destination fisheries and large amounts of money into the local economies. Flyfishers arent going to throw a big tissy fit about not being able to use lead as there are many lead shot subsitutes.

Someday down the road Wa. will be next.
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#119281 - 08/17/01 03:19 AM Re: getting the lead out
flickyourjig Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 01/13/01
Posts: 134
Loc: Saxon,wa.
My 20lb. piramid anchor was reduced to 12lb. in 4 yrs. Where did the lead go? FYI!
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#119282 - 08/17/01 03:31 AM Re: getting the lead out
Keta Offline
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Registered: 03/05/00
Posts: 1092
Dogfish is right about birds taking in small gravel. It is used in their gizzard to grind their food. Along with small stones waterfowl are more likely to pick up shot from the bottoms of ponds and puddles.
The ifo I have on lead weights lost by fishermen says this is not a problem. Here is a link to an article on the subject.
http://www.sioutdoors.com/2001/leadtackle051901.html

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#119283 - 08/17/01 02:11 PM Re: getting the lead out
Krome Brite Offline
Spawner

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 683
Loc: Washougal, WA
Hey, do any of you guys wash your hands after handling exposed lead products? I usually do later after I'm done fishing. The reason I'm asking is that there's a precaution on most lead fishing products and other lead based products saying something like "lead is known to cause birth defects in the state of California." It also says to wash your hands immediately after handling. I have eaten food shortly after handling lead and have also took a p*** shortly after without washing my hands first. Am I all ****** up now or is this just a bunch of bs? I know that your not supposed to ingest lead rolleyes, but what about the situation I just described?

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#119284 - 08/17/01 02:48 PM Re: getting the lead out
'Head hunter Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 12/21/00
Posts: 123
Loc: Shelton, WA.
Too late to worry about it,its already gotten to your brains... :p :p wink

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#119285 - 08/17/01 03:11 PM Re: getting the lead out
GutZ Offline
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Registered: 02/08/00
Posts: 2954
Loc: Bellevue
ah bin fisin wid led ma who lif. it ain had no fect on me. i also m cnlmaker use led wik in them 2 no fect.

wink GutZ
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#119286 - 08/17/01 03:15 PM Re: getting the lead out
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Registered: 10/13/00
Posts: 9160
Loc: everett
K.B. , Maybe a little lead in your "pencil" would be a good thing.
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#119287 - 08/19/01 05:37 PM Re: getting the lead out
Krome Brite Offline
Spawner

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 683
Loc: Washougal, WA
Dammit gys I'm serius! Ah want to no if I m rong to knot warsh mi hands b4 I eet or pi$$? Kant sombodi till mi if I m b'ing saaf? rolleyes confused

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#119288 - 08/19/01 07:35 PM Re: getting the lead out
cowlitzfisherman Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 1866
Loc: Toledo, Washington
You guys are just to much!!!!!!!!!

Now u jut mea sain gust shuttttt

Cowlitzfisherman

is the taste of the bait worth the sting of the bait???? eek
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#119289 - 08/19/01 07:41 PM Re: getting the lead out
Krome Brite Offline
Spawner

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 683
Loc: Washougal, WA
What Cowlitz, speak in English please. :p

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#119290 - 08/19/01 08:56 PM Re: getting the lead out
RipDatLip Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 04/23/01
Posts: 301
Loc: Battle Ground, WA
Kromy, you are correct to wash your hands. I have also heard that lead can enter your system through your skin and get into your blood. Hence, the term "blood poisoning". I wouldn't worry about a little lead, but if your working with it all the time then you might consider gloves. Just my thoughts.

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#119291 - 08/19/01 09:11 PM Re: getting the lead out
cowlitzfisherman Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 1866
Loc: Toledo, Washington
Krome Brite

Don't yuo anderstund antitthing?
I sayid "Now u jut mea sain gust shuttttt"
maba you beena eatin to muhiee lead!

Cowlitzfisherman

smile smile eek
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#119292 - 08/19/01 10:25 PM Re: getting the lead out
Krome Brite Offline
Spawner

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 683
Loc: Washougal, WA
Alright, so I'm probably fine. I don't handle lead every day. Ushali. confused But, what I still don't get is what Cowlitz is trying to say? 'Now you just mean saying ghost sh!t'? Is that it? That's what it looks like, but I don't get the joke. Someone enlighten me.

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#119293 - 08/19/01 11:02 PM Re: getting the lead out
cowlitzfisherman Offline
Three Time Spawner

Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 1866
Loc: Toledo, Washington
Krome Brite

Joke...What joke??
thut cuntree you bone end?
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#119294 - 08/19/01 11:57 PM Re: getting the lead out
Krome Brite Offline
Spawner

Registered: 10/18/00
Posts: 683
Loc: Washougal, WA
I was born in the good old US of A, sammy. Where were you born, Mr. Commy! eek Just Kidding.

Dude, I am still confused. confused

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