This used to be a site of a lot of bashing. A bit of that will always be part of public forums; it goes with the territory. But I have noticed that Bob's policy of allowing freedom of expression (the American way!) here is not only what a majority of members want, it has lead to peer pressure against out-of-line posts - keeping them to a minimum; rather than relying on undue moderated censure. That's why this post of mine will likely stand here, but was censured at ifish. At ifish there is now an ongoing selective censure of some members posts, while other's same type of posts are allowed to stay unlocked! I am aware of a growing miscontent among a lot of prominent members there; particularly with moderator Hookset and the 'directives' he is getting. After he locked my OSU fishing club/party thread, he deleted this following post I put up: ... [EDIT: I put it back up again with further pertinent info added; after e-mail asking him to show courage in accepting questioning about his postition; rather than delete censure it.] :rolleyes: [Second edit: The kinder gentler version I put back up was also completely deleted; obviously to avoid answering nicely asked appropriate questions and exposure of a distinct double standard present there. Oh well - what the hell.]

Gregg (Hookset - a moderator on his OSU Fishing Club thread closure):



Gregg, of the many pics such as Jennie and Pilar and me and many others have posted, none of them were necessary! Most members really enjoy seeing pics. That's likely why Jennie recently posted loosening the reigns about it some; while keeping it reasonable. There was a huge thread full of pics, posted by some members, of people partying with soft drinks or beer in their hands at Jen & Bill's place. Selective censure is what many members have posted they have the biggest problem with!

Hookset signature:

"life is short, play to live
and live to play" ...

Posted by me just prior to Hookset locking the thread:

"Hey, there really is a Beaver Fishing Club. They post here on ifish! I doubt very many colleges have an on campus salmon/steelhead oriented fishing club (right Birdhunter, Chuck & Duck, 'FishinBeaver', and you other guys? - monikers here). And of course OSU's fisheries biology dept. is one of the best in the country.
As for re-living the college scene a few times - ya, I like it like that. But I think of it as living it up; outright, not re-living it." - RT

Hmmm. Live to play and play to live!
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Thank you Bob for letting us live and play here. We appreciate it. - Steve

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As soon as I seen the Nazi's put the hold on it the first thing I thought of was " I bet they don't at Bob's board"

Man it's hard to type when the sourmash is kickin in.

Interesting, I always felt at the ifish BB like I was crashing a private party. Havn't been there in quite some time.

It's like a Payton Place. Don't seem to be any of the problems over here on this board. Issues come and go, people get pissed and it's forgotten.

Fishhead5

RT --- Gregg's edits are reasonable, unless we members want to start paying for Ifish in order to see you use up bandwidth to show photos of yourself leading the beer chugging contest with a bunch of teenagers. And bringing the topic over here is downright silly and childish. Get over it.

Doesn't seem silly nor childish to me since his same thread over there dissapeared.

It disappeared and then came back? Weird. I wonder if RT posted large quantities of pics showing us his tackle offerings up close and personal if he would have been censured? No freakin way. (right mouse/save picture as/RT secrets!)

RT isn't allowed to have any fun? Some folks just want him to teach the masses how to slaughter fish, and bring readership and participants, but he has do it in an approved manner? I say, you want RT, take him as is. It's not like he is constantly posting pics of his butt!

I agree with Thumper!

Aunty M, I meant he had this exact same thread over there.
I don't see it anymore.

Thumped quote:



Thumper Jack and the other Fishin FOOL, you obviously have challenges reading things as they were posted; as a few unfortunate guys do at times. And you posted certain unfounded slander. I had posted the drinking fun was with 21 yr. old seniors; not teenagers. And indeed they were (Sean and Eric; both now graduated) - and they were drinking beer before I arrived, and I got asked to join in! Furthermore, you conveniently ignored the fact that several ifish members posted loads of many many many pics of people drinking beer and partying in front of much younger children at Jennie's place recently. Do you have a concept of what 'selectivity' is? Fairness? Consistency? Apparently not. :rolleyes: At least we know where you 2 stand now. As for bringing it over here? The NAZI's delete anything adverse to their personal agendas. Got an idea for your challenged thought process - don't click on this thread over here if you don't like hearing the facts.

EDIT: Thump, as far as willingness to contribute to higher capacity BB software, I have contributed hundreds of dollars behind the scenes to the ifish BB cause, that you are unware of (verifiable). And I have posted over 3000 times there, including a lot of good fishing tech info. Yet I am not allowed a thread by Hookset that was no less benign than many others, including the hords of pics of the beer drinking partying among very young kids at Jennie's. You say Gregg is doing a proper job of moderating. You are entitled to your opinion. Many of our credible opinions are he is doing a 'selective' job of moderating - perhaps by directive, perhaps not! He is clearly avoiding answering to that publicly, after publicly censuring me and several others in my thread. Facts.

RT

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Steve --- I don't really care whether your beer-chugging buddies were 21 or 20......The point is that Hookset (Gregg) asked you to minimize non-fishing photos, as is his right as moderator. Ifish is trying to avoid charging for use of the BB, and such photos apparently consume bandwidth. It seemed to be a reasonable request. That was my point. So relax and catch a fish!

Agree with Thump. Original post in this thread does sound childish. Been to Ifish only a couple of times though. Not that that matters.

I'm with RT on this one. If you are so worried about bandwidth usage and costs, why not delete those stupid cartoon characters everyone seems to use on IFISH. I would certainly prefer looking at RT's college photos than those cartoons. Many of Jen's posts have nothing to do with fishing, and they stay. Thumper, you even posted on some of these non fishing topics. Face it Thumper, this has everything to do with politics and nothing to do with fishing.

Leave what happens on ifish - on ifish. You will be better respected for it.

Steve

I think it was over reaction by the moderator to close the thread. Hey life has been pretty stressful lately and we need to loosen up with some fun posts once in awhile. When I was moderator over there it was too stressful and I got out. The bandwidth concern is bogus! Pics can be deleted as many already have it's no big deal. The cartoons by my friend Rick (Nanook) are harmless fun and do not take up any of ifish disk space.

RT..... IAM WITH YOU ON THIS ONE!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK I ENJOY READING YOUR POST'S!!

I am agree with RT on this what is wrong with a few fun pictures. There wasnt anything wrong with that post and there have been plenty of other posts with pictures that are irelevent to fishing that have stayed. Besides whats wrong with a few pictures of beautiful college women. And a little beer drinking. Looked like a great time to me.

i agree with saltine, this is stupid.

If bandwidth is a problem, then why hasn't a limit been imposed on everyone, to one or two images per day/week or something? If there is no clear policy that is applied equally, how does one know they overstepped the bounds? Was Steve asked to modify or edit it BEFORE it was locked? Doesn't sound like it. It did sound arbitrary. Jen should clarify the policy so that this doesn't happen again. All I saw in the picture post instructions was to limit the image size. I also glanced at the guidelines and agreement. It isn't addressed there either.

As far as RT bringing it here, sorry, but if he can't be open and communicate over there, I can see why he would feel the need to post here. How the heck are we all going to know why a thread was locked or a post deleted? And the rule of "if you aren't interested in reading any of this on PP, then don't read the thread," applies.

Here is RT's first couple of lines.


If I had posted my handsome 24 year old son's picture for he and his friends to view, I might have gotten miffed too. I realize it was a gray post, so what? It's allowed all the time. And you want to know why? Because hearing the same old "I fished ____ for 4 hours without a bite" is boring, and people would soon lose interest. I would bet that any threads RT starts are the ones most viewed.

I 3rd that...it is the proliferation of these types of posts that many people (sadly, alot of the 'ole time regulars) dont post on this board anymore.

The politicy, *****ing is somewhat enjoyable in moderation but it is becoming more and more prevelant...

Besides deal with Ifish issues at Ifish...most of us who post here dont post there and vice versa.