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#134428 - 01/09/02 12:49 PM Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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We're always trying to introduce new and exciting products at Vision Hooks & Tackle. The latest product that will be introduced soon is the new Vision Rag. The original idea was to introduce a pre-tied Rag sold in bulk.

That go me thinking - what if people don't want a pre-tied rag? Would they rather buy the materials and make the rags themselves?

So, Vision Hooks & Tackle is asking you for your feedback - regardless if you like our hooks or not.

Would you like to see a pre-tied rag on the market? We'd offer something like 5 color combinations and probably offer 5-6 pre-tied rags per package.

Would you like to see a "kit" that contains the backer rod, beads, hooks, and yarn - and you just make the rags yourself?

Individual packages of backer rod, yarn, and beads for your rag making use?

All of the above?

Your feedback is very important to us. Please respond to this thread, or send a private email to products@visionhooksandtackle.com.

Also, got a great idea for a product that you can't find? Let us know! For example, I keep thinking about a 3-way swivel, where one of the ends is an interlocking swivel. Notice how one doesn't exist?

Oh yeah, here's a photo of the new Vision Rag. Coming soon to a store or e-site near you!



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#134429 - 01/09/02 01:14 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Justin,
The rag looks great. My .02 would be for the "all of the above" option. This lets the people bye pre-tied or the components to express their own color combo creativity. I think tying your own gear and fooling a fish with it is part of the fun.
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#134430 - 01/09/02 02:22 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 12/04/99
Posts: 183
Loc: Seattle Area
I would think pre-made would be a good option as well. Most fisherman like to tie their own hook and leaders, but I think some would probably like to purchase the rags ready to be threaded on the leaders.

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#134431 - 01/09/02 02:28 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 09/09/01
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Loc: At FL410
I would buy the stuff to make the rags and probably the premade ones.
On another note I really like the sharpness of your hooks. Why don't you guys make treble hooks ? Just wondering?

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#134432 - 01/09/02 02:36 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
Doug Kelly Offline
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Registered: 02/22/00
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ran into a guy the other day in the sporting store looking fo some pre done, offered him the backer rod but didn't want to take the time to make his own, my vote, yes doug

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#134433 - 01/09/02 03:49 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 04/21/99
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I think that it would be good for people who don't wanna or don't know how; it would be good.
Or even when you can't get Backer rod.
I have bought some but prefer to make my own. It is a lot cheaper to make then buy.

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#134434 - 01/09/02 04:06 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Divers,
I get hypnotized watching your space ship....very cool
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#134435 - 01/09/02 05:03 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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At least for me, half the fun is catching fish on something I tied up myself, adds a little sense of accomplishment.
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#134436 - 01/09/02 05:10 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 03/10/00
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Loc: West of Eden
Parker,
Any chance Vision will be offering or does offer downturned eye hooks like the tiemco 700?

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#134437 - 01/09/02 05:21 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 06/15/01
Posts: 1119
Loc: brownsville wa.
Parker,
I bet there is a pretty good market for pre made rags.I personaly make my own.I will probably see the day that we will remark "we used to make those ourselves"!!
Hey,I just made an order of some hooks,4 inch worms and some swivells,today.What is normal shipping time? smile

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#134438 - 01/09/02 05:37 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Joe will get your order out via US Priority Mail tomorrow - he's on the road now. USPS Priority Mail is pretty quick. A couple of days.

I'm working on a color chart for the worms. IE, what color goes with what name. Heck, even I get confused on what name is what color some times!

Email products@visionhooksandtackle.com for your questions.

Order questions should be directed to orders@visionhooksandtackle.com

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#134439 - 01/09/02 08:40 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Loc: Renton WA
Parker I like mine pre tied and a fish already on the other end. jk I would like either the kit or either way as there is time that I am in a hurry and would like them done up already. rolleyes
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#134440 - 01/09/02 08:47 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 03/07/01
Posts: 124
Loc: Sedro-Woolley, Wa
I haven't made my own rage before so I might be way off in my thinking but how do you put the yarn through the foam? If there is a special tool required for this then you should also sell it so people can set up the rags. I think the idea of being able to make your own is very appealing and also allows the person to mix and match colors or to add different things. I'd say go for it-just keep the price reasonable so people are more likely to pick it up.
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#134441 - 01/09/02 08:54 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 07/05/01
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Loc: duvall, wa
Novice question: Do you fish the rag set up just as shown, or do you put eggs or shrimp on the hook?

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#134442 - 01/09/02 08:59 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 10/29/01
Posts: 561
Loc: Kenmore, WA
i think "all of the above"! but i would like to see the worms tied with different strengths of leaderfor those line shy fish.
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#134443 - 01/09/02 09:05 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Registered: 01/04/01
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Loc: Port Orchard, Wa. USA
Yes I think both ways are very positive, I would be interested in building them myself, especially if you have the 1/4 inch white backer rod, Let me know if this will be an option. thank you

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#134444 - 01/09/02 10:35 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Loc: Battle Ground, WA
There is so many different options that one can do with rags. Difference in backer rod color, yarn color, type/size of hook, and leader type/length.

I would suggest making up some basic all-around rags and the parts to make your own. But, on top of that offer a call-in for special order rags.

This will save time for the fisherman, but might cost him a little more for the customized options. Just a thought, but I wold like to see that in my stores.

Matt
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#134445 - 01/09/02 11:32 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Loc: Everett, Wa
Just from personell experience with the late great Joe Butorac's Rags that he sold commercialy for years under Trophy Tackle until his untimely death last year, it seemed that the packages with 2 or 3 pretied with leaders and hooks already to go sold better then anything.

How about a little remark about Joe because if it wasnt for him, most of us wouldn't be fishig rags today???
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#134446 - 01/10/02 10:17 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Thanks Ryan for the input.
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#134447 - 01/10/02 11:32 PM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Speaking of bulk vs. pretied, will we ever see those totally awesome wink Vision worms packaged unrigged??
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#134448 - 01/11/02 12:01 AM Re: Your Feedback is needed - New Vision Products
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Loc: Kelso Wa.
Parker, I think you guys have some good ideas and some cool products alot of which I would buy (except the hooks) that being said, I have to say that Superfly has said some stuff in the past that I did not agree with and kind of rubbed me the wrong way and for that I doubt I will ever buy Vision products. Just my .02 worth.

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