So ... Giz and some Wassies think yesterday's F4 settled the long debated issue of whether Washington or Oregon fishers are better at their sport. We don't think so! Let's see, more Wassie entrants come in with 7 spring chinooks - less Oreos come in with 7 spring chinooks. Some of them weigh a little more. So what? It's just as hard to come by a 12 pounder as a 16 pounder in that type of Columbia fishery - as Giz's Team Skunked SMS can attest to. Team Quick Fish had no prob going 2 for 3. We think Oregon fishers just thought it was going to be such an easy wipe that they didn't think their help was needed; and dropped out due to a rain storm prediction (which didn't occur 'til afterward). Wassies are more used to rainstorms, that's all. Still; 7 to 7! [EDIT: see even more important revelations below - all in fun of course ]. So, this series moves forward:

A few guys suggested a boat/bank fishing springer Flotilla combined at the mouth of the Wind and Drano Lake (likely early May). Consensus thought was no fish should count from up the Wind River on those stacked up easy targets, because most can't do the hiking involved. You Wind/Drano guys that suggested that yesterday, and have posted it before, get a crew together and post the event. (I wouldn't mind getting some of you Wassies on one of my springer rivers in May though, the Clackamas, for a certain Oreo victory).

And Jeff Whitehead (Jeffhead - saltwater fishing guru) made a great suggestion for a late summer Flotilla for Sekiu silvers. That is an awesome fishery, in the relatively calm saltwater of the Straight of Juan De Fuca (where even small boats get out there, unless there's an unusual wind storm). It will have tons of easy to catch fish - big cohos. Possibly also allowed to keep King 'nooks again this year. There are affordable motels, RV grounds, and campgrounds - lots of you would love to stay and fish for 2 or 3 days there. Good picnic party facilities. Also, it's right across from lower Vancouver Island for a short ferry ride over to see superb Victoria BC after the event. When you get some local volunteer help Jeff, we'd love for you to post that flotilla! And please, "Numbers of fish caught per Oreo/Wassie team averages" for bragging rights, eh?

"The average per-capita fish catch total divided by the age of each entrant, and then corrected for how many years they've been a resident and multiplied by how many springers are crossing Bonneville daily will determine the winner........."

C'mon, RT, you can admit it....team WA won any way you look at it. And of course, luck had nothing to do with it.

If you're looking for a rematch at Sekiu, all I can say is, "Yes, please." :p

I would gladly help in setting up a Floatilla in the Sekiu area. I fished the area extensively last year, and if a group were to get skunked, that would be an extreme oddity. We would be talking about hundreds of fish and thousands of pounds at the weigh in, not less than 100.

I would venture a guess that a contest up at Sekiu would be an issue of ounces, not pounds, for the winning team. Of course, Washington would still come out on top.

Andy

I'll go up if you all are having it in sekiu, went up everyother weekend last year. no oreo will win up there fishing there wiggle warts, unless I dont have a bigger boat by then. summer nights up there are the best atmosphere, killer place. Ben

Ahhh, lemme see, SEKIU, late Summer and Hoochies!
F-5 at Sekiu? I'm all over that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any Oregon takers???

Sure wish I could have made it....
Keith :p

Hey RT, sorry to hear you lost...NOT!!
How did the pink boots fit allright?

As a person who did not make it I am proud my wassies kicked oreo butt, whether by a few pounds or not.

Out of curiosity, which individual boat had the most weight (sorry RT I mean fish weight..not bait)

Glad it went well, and everyone got to meet, all kidding aside, it is nice to have an event like this to bring people together, I want to get one going at the skykomish during the king opening.

Hey maybe next year RT,
Woodsy Wayne

Despite statistical evidence to the contrary, fishing STILL isn't a competitive sport.

Hey RT we knew the results beforehand...thats why we got you that present for you to take out your frustations on :p ! Please remember it is a poor innocent inflatable :p ?
Sekiu? Hmmm maybe Marsha may need to look into buyen a case of Loven Lambs?

Stop the presses! There have been two controversies revealed in F4 threads on ifish! The first one was that Rick (Baitboy) was fishing with an Oregon license and recorded his catch on it, but counted it toward the Wassie's weight total. To that one I agree with him and the Wassies that it should be on his home state's Wassie total; so that one should stay. BUT ~~~

One of the top Wassies in this tourney, Washington guide Jim Bain's team was fishing within the rules way down the Columbia River, trying to catch the fish before they got up to the St. Helens area. Fine. But get this! He had an Oreo, Kilgore Trout in his boat, who caught the only counting fish among those Wassies. His Oreo fish was caught way ahead of the weigh-in deadline and it was a big clipped spring chinook in the 20 pound class! It not only would have given KT the biggest fish honors, it would have rightfully made it 8 Oreo fish to 7 Wassie fish, and put Oregon at 103 pounds total to Washington's 93 pounds! But we found out that Jim purposely stalled and stalled so that KT's fish would miss the weigh-in deadline!!! ~~~

You Wassies can call this thing a "win" if you have such nerve, but in reality these turn of events puts this issue right back in question - at the very least; if not an outright Oreo win! WE DEMAND A RECOUNT. And we won't except Gizmo 'Jeb Bush' Man as a Florida caliber decision maker (or his crooked side kick Thumper). Noooooooo waaaaay. If this doesn't put the victory in the Oreo column, which would make it right, then assuredly it at least keeps the ongoing Wassie vs Oreo fishing superiority issue back on the water - in more flotilla competitions. ~~~

Now the next proposed flotillas are in Wassieville again. That's fine with us Oreos. If we have to come up there to win 'on the road' against your home field advantage, then so be it. And if you don't have the nads to show up Gooose, then you should feel pretty sheepish.

Hey wait RT,
I still haven't had the opportunity to make one of these fine events, being young and working weekends makes it tough, real tough.... But be thankful my team of Wassies didn't show or it would have been over...
How about a rematch up at bonneville on the springers there... You'd have an oregon ramp to work with..
And for you Oreo's Walleyes and Small Mouths don't count...
Keith

Hey Keith, part of being a top notch angler is finding a way to get on the water - especially for long set up competitions. Not finding excuses to avoid a posible rep stain. Besides, Oregon could have over-countered your presence with Amerman's or other good Oreos presence no prob!

Bonnie? Right on. This year I have no shortage of eggs, so don't have to resort to my grade B supply to fish with as I did last year. So I'll stick my grade A eggs and scents, and custom cured prawns and Kwikie wraps against your [Bleeeeep!] any time! You got my phone number. In fact, let's make in your boat or mine, to take away the fish pod luck factor.

You know what's worse than a loser RT? It's a sore loser. Go back and read all your trash talking and tell me that you are not just jealous and can't stand the fact that you continue to loose. Another Floatilla and you haven't even come close to being in the top 5. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that you had some fish tied up or handed off to try to tip the scales in Oreos favor.

Now Jerry, you're from Washington, is there anything we need to know...did rt pay someone to catch his fish and hand it off or did he tie up the ones he said he caught on Wed... and is entering them...They did not look all that fresh.

RT, how about a chapter in the book entitled "101 excuses why I can't win a floatilla by RT" The first excuse could be because you are a looser and a whiner and spend more time figuring excuses as to why you can't catch a fish."

Put a cork in it. The weigh in was witnessed and no one but you is complaining... Not even the little kids that where there... Even your best supporter Aunty M is telling you to quite your bellyaching.

I now have to compliment Crotch and Rot on his gracious concession post. He and his team gave it there best shot and accepted the consequences. Now that's a true sportsman. Crow feathers and all. And Bernie, I would be proud of your dad too. He is a neat guy and you should be proud to be a preachers boy...

Rt, you need to take lessons from your fellow defeated sportsmen. Don't further diminish their efforts with your sniveling....

Next you will try to come up with some excuse that will attempt to taint an otherwise excellent day (dispite the fact that you where throwing bananas in all the Wa. boats.

And the decision of the judges is final...End of this chapter...no more said!!!

Giz....

Geeeeeeezuuuuus help us! I had to pull my head back up after that blast of hot air off your post, baldy. The front of my neck hurts from reading that creeap. You and your whole team got SKUNKED man! And you are calling me a looser because I'm among the Oreos plaintive about getting ripped off? You read the others 'plainin about it on ifish! And you know our team hooked 3 and caught 2 counting fish - in my chosen anchor spot by the way, baldy.

Hey, did I mention you are bald? And lame? And a hot air blast? Oh ya, we all knew that.

<-------- Giz with his hat off, and his sunglasses on to hide his tears.

Ok, just funnin ya back. But do show up at F5 for another spanking, baldy. As for which 'hole' needs a cork put in it, Team Capital Punishment is among those who know that answer.
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All in fun. KT should have been more ascertive of his rights - the quiting time was set. And the rules did say weight. So ya, the Wassies lucked out and won this thing.

I wonder what is the next excuse...hmmm, the wassies were wearing attractor colored vests...or
lets see...hmmm the fish were all really caught on the oreo side. Or I didn't know that it had to be exact, on the weigh in time.
Even though I was not there, RT I think you are lucky,... that alot!! of wassies did not show up, luckily it sounds like it was a pretty even match,
(other than weight of course).
Sounds like both sides really enjoyed it, maybe i can catch the next one!!
As an outside watcher to what I have read, the wassies won fair and square. What is the big deal RT, you are still a good fisherman,and a well knowledged guy, we can all learn from, so why dont you just set a good example, and take the loss. People will respect you more, you probably don't care, but....just a thought.
Woodsy Wayne

HOLD ON RT!!

You want a recount????
I hear that one of the OREO fish had a BENT adipose,not clipped. I think we should re-examine ALL fish entered at weigh in to see if we have any bent,dimpled or hanging adipose fins.Then we'll see whose laughin'!
Sekui? HA! Don't sing it....Bring it! Bigdog out.....

lmao

RT, you and the lamb make a cute couple. Accept defeat dude.

I don't think anyone of us want to think about an RT that's any looser than he is now.

Scratch that. I don't think any of us want to think about RT.

Hey there (RT)

Congrats on finally catching a fish in a floatilla. :p

considering how far we Washington studs had to travel,and most of you're Oreo's live there.

Did anyone notice how Rt's fish till had the tether marks on it,from being tied off for a few days

I will say ....all the Oreo's I met were great guys,
Stew you seamed pretty normal,can't you find anyone else to fish with???

I expected this from Rt,he 's not a very good loser
and an even worse passenger
you're new nick name........Smudge ...

Seiku.......you oreos better just stay home...Os

Os: "you're new nick name........Smudge" - LOL Mike. You'll think twice next time about giving me a ride to my truck, ay? Watching Giz yak up the weigh-in can do that sort of thing to people.

As for you Aunty sweetie, I only mentioned KT's fish missing the weigh-in by "5 minutes", so the Wassies could make another long troll, according to Jim's ifish post - ya, right. And then you start mentioning 22 hours?!? Hey young lady, don't make me come up there and put a saltwater whuppin on ya! Besides, under the funnin posts I said "All in fun. KT should have been more ascertive of his rights - the quiting time was set. And the rules did say weight. So ya, the Wassies lucked out and won this thing." Well, that and they watched the successful Oreos pretty closely. I'll give them credit for being smart about that. btw Giz, I didn't loose. Us Oreos lost (this Florida type decision ... jk). ... So now I will go seek comfort with my new plastic girlfriend.

RT,
I dont care what they say, you are allright for an oreo.

Woodsy Wayne

Smudge....it will forever haunt me Os

Hey, it wasn't KT's fault we missed the weigh-in! We just had to make that infamous "one-last-pass" and it was me who hooked up with a nate and cost us the precious 15 minutes we missed by. Traffic in downtown Longview was nasty and we mis-judged the time and distance to St Helens for the launch we needed to make it to the island.

KT was really gracious about the whole thing and didn't even mention the potential fact that we might be sandbagging an Oregon fisherman.

Sure wish we had made it though, 'cause you all missed the chance to meet the World-famous Bubba Bain and his sidekick Hoochie!

F-5 at Sekiu Sept. 14 anyone?

MY OH MY.......

Guess I had better chime in here...the major question I have in regards to all of this and one that we better settle on before F5 is this. If I am in a boat skippered by an Oreo and catch the biggest fish...is it an Oreo fish or a Wassie fish??? I don't care but we all know that presentation has a lot to do with it.....hmmmm....sure glad we missed that weigh in! This thread and others have been to much fun! Little contoversy is good for us all...hehe.

Dave aka Kilgore Trout is a class act! Still can't believe it was his first King...what a dandy! 35.5" long and 21" girth...I had a silver go almost 22 with those same measurements and this fish had shoulders to him! If any of you get a chance to take Kilgore fishin do so...great companion...makes a heck of a sandwich to!!

RT...F5 will be tough for me to make as most of my days during that time of year are booked...but I'm thinkin if I can make it you need a little time in the Bubba Barge...whatcha say??

Jim

RT, ya better take Jim up on that offer.

Also, if you remember, last year I had a seat for you at Sekiu and you missed out on a chance at a state record Coho that month. Sekiu is HOT in September. Still might have a seat for ya if yer really nice and don't bring those pink boots.

I have read all the 3 boards about the F5 and F6 proposals, as well as some mail from friends, and the early feedback consensus seems to be Aug. 24th for an F5 at Bouy 10 and Sept. 14th for an F6 at Sekiu. That keeps them a ways apart, and gets into big fish at Sekiu after the Labor Day crowds have dispersed. Post some more feedback for these guys though. ...

Hey Jim, if and when ya get a break from the guiding, it'd be nice if you, Jeff, and I could get out fishin together one of these days. Bouy 10 would be can't miss. Cowlitz summer steelies would be good too. Keep in touch. btw, just teasing about the stall tactic to help the Wassies win F4. All in fun! Sort of a wean down from several weeks of trash talkin.

... Hey, July flotilla on the Cow? Hmmmm.

Same for you Hoochie. It's no secret that I'm a fishin 'ho. Sekiu is top notch! But I can't make any promises about the pink boots. Oh wait, Stew will be borrowing them to flyfish in Sept. and Christmas shop in them in October, so no prob. That's after Aunty refurbishes them of course. btw Marsha, don't pay any attention to the smudge jealousy of the boys. Some guys just have it when it comes to enjoying rocky road. Some don't.

RT

August 17th will be better but the 24th will work.

JMHO (just my humble opinion)

Jim

I will look at the tides next....and post again.

ok...my opinion and I am sure we will get two schools of thought here.

I prefer the 17th...High slack is at 10:15 this high is after a big incoming...the low slack is at 3:30 but from high to low there is only about a 2.25 ft runoff.

The 24th has a low slack at 9:20 with a high slack at 3:30 with almost 6ft of water coming in.

If we choose the 24th I think Team Power Pro would have to be Team Power Pro / Bain as we have a family reunion in Ilwaco that weekend...hmmm...wonder who was responsible for choosing date and location????

Anyway...just more of my opinion.

RT, there is no doubt that we need to wet a line together someday...it will happen!

Jim

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RECOUNT, RECOUNT AND RECOUNT AGAIN. AL GORE = RT

Good one Catch & Eat. But it would have been a really really outstanding state-of-the-art 'prime cut' piece of smack if you had posted it before I wrote I was just funnin around with the recount stuff. ... Also trying to promote the future flotillas with the (essentially meanless) Wassie vs Oreo thing. If you don't understand this message, have your mother read it to you real slow. Or have Troy explain it to ya. btw, I dance better than Al Gore.

yeah? but Al has better lip service. Besides the smack stuff my mommie said that I understood every thing just fine and that you should be nice to everyone. Otherwise you will have to sit on the porch during the evening meal. :p

Just funnin ya Steve, where's you sense of humor? BTW, my daddy saw you at the flotilla and he thought you were 7' tall. Now he knows better. Not as tall as William Wallace per the rumors of course.

Sense of humor? I think I do alright with that. I know you were kiddin around; obviously. Yo needin a little 'splainin about this trash talkin stuff, Senoir. Ya see, while your smack piece was basic 'New York Style Facial', my reply trashin was 'Dartmouth Suttle' return fire smack. It needs a little deeper look, and flys over some doughball smackers. But still in fun for sure!

Tell ya what - I will put up a smack stylin thread where all kinds of it can be explained by the experienced for the novice cracker smackers.

RT you must be from B(as)ston Mass. Can you say M.I.T. lovey? How dare you besmurch the fine name of novice crackers. Furthermore, tarnish the refined skills of us native Oregonian riparian harvestors.

Your scantilly clad version of high smack wreaks of patheticness and desparation. It lacks true "gottcha" challenge.

So go on with you Smack 101 and try to educate the educated with your "Real Talk". Just watch for the busses o'l chap. I hear they have invested in larger tires so that the tracks they leave make a Real Tramatice mark. :p

Stew .....I'm still having Nightmares

"Mommy make the Bad man go away" ......Os

Go WASSIES!! WOOHOOO!!
:p

Matt "JeepMcMuddy" Brown