Lots of fish!!!
Fished north of the Harrison in our "HONEY HOLE." :p
Lost count of how many fish we caught, but let's say my freezer is FULL!!! I kept 15 including a 30 lb King. Not bad for 3 days of fishing.
It's open friday until midnite, Shane and I will be there tomarrow at 4:30 am to SLAM AWAY!
Sorry I missed you FJ and Craven, but Shane had Bull riding at the rodeo sat.

Hey, anyone got any Ben-Gay? My arms HURT!

G-man:

How do you keep 15 fish for "yourself" in 3 days with a two sock a day limit?

I just got back from being up there for 4 days and yes my arms are very sore to!

BD

BobberDown, Don't go alone.
You get 2 sockeye a day plus 1 king.

Oh, I forgot, Fisheries is leaving it open for 1 more week, but I won't be fishing for awhile. My arm is not working so good now.

Thanks for the heads up there Gman. I'll be watching for a Washington State registered jet catching over their limit. If you keep bragging about how many fish you're stacking in the freezer you may find that the welcome mat is not exactly going to be out for you next time you come up.

If you're gonna floss why not stick closer to home? :rolleyes:

flossing = snagging and is bad horrible and rotten even if it is legal it has absolutely no redeming value. True sportsmen do not do it PERIOD! It doesn't matter is a certain species or run won't bite. If they won't bite then do not fish for them!!!!!!!

I like to call it hero fishing. The most unskilled fishermen can be a "hero" for a day during the sockeye fishery. Unfortunately there is basically nothing sporting about it. There is a lot of talk up here about having maximum leader lengths imposed, and hopefully this will get a lot of the meat hogs off the river.

You know, if you purists don't like flossing, then don't do it. Why do you insist on demeaning other people that are just having an enjoyable fishing experience?

RA3, Your range of what is acceptable in fishing is alot tighter than what is lawful. If it bothers you that much work to get the laws changed, even in Canada. I don't floss fish but certainly won't demean others for doing what is lawful. PETA has taken the high "moral" ground that fishing is harmful and true sportsmen wouldn't fish, only take pictures. To PETA you are bad horrible and rotten with no moral standing. So what guidelines do we live by?

Rob's way = ONLY way...

Didn't y'all know that?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Hey my first post on the fishing section of this board!!

HEY !! Where's that horse?

Possesion is two limits: 4 sockeye and two Springs. Are you telling me G-man that you brought your family of 4? Or were you klunking over your limit.

I'm not a purist by any means. It just amazes me all the guys on here that want to play "johnny law" when they see someone flossing because it's "immoral" and illegal. But as soon as it's legal to do they're all over it.
Guess I don't let politicians decide my morals for me.

Welcome to TheRouge.

The "flossfest" on the Fraser is nothing more than a meat fishery and is not for the angler looking for a true sport fishing trip. So purhaps "angling purists" should just stay away.

The fishery is nothing more than "single-line gillnetting" as described by an older Canadian gent who fished next to me yesterday.

The fishery provides an opportunity for me to fish in a beautiful scenic area for great tasting fish while supporting the local Fraser economy from restaurants to motels and toss in the $80 Canadian License to boot.

I found that the bad behaviours along the bars that had been developing over the last few seasons vastly improved. Witnessed many anglers packing their trash out as well as old balls of mono and trash left by others. I try to make a habit of this trash collecting everytime I'm up there because it's just to beautiful of a resource to see get trashed.

I came back with one spring shy of my possesion limit of 4 socks and two springs for two days of fishing.

G-man: Openly bragging about going over your limit will not help you make very many friends on this board.

BD

Is there some confusion about the fact that G-MAN took his family with him? I guess that means they were within their possession limits. Do you guys even read the posts, or is it just strictly "shoot from the hip" time?

Dan,

I consider myself a pretty intelligent guy, but I may be a little obtuse here as well. Could you please direct me to the verbage where G-Man states that he brought 4 members of his family, and they each retained their posession limit? My limited comprehension skills led me to interpret this:
And this:
to be somewhat ambiguous at best.

Left to open interpretation, it would appear that G-Man kept more than his limit during his trip.

I consider you a very intelligent individual. You must be even more so than I gave you credit, for your ability to discern the actual truth from the limited amount of information that G-Man provided.

Dan S:

Notice G-man's reference as "I kept 15", a statement like that only creates speculation. If I'm wrong I'm sorry for sicking the hounds on him.

BD

Hey G-man, how are you feeling? Back out fishing yet?

Pay careful attention to THIS part:

Being that I don't generally accuse people of being poachers without solid evidence, I took that to mean enough members of his family went along to make that a legal limit.

I suppose I could be wrong, but I prefer not to accuse someone of doing something illegal unless I know they did.

If the rest of you want to assume the worst about somebody, then be my guest..............

I interpret The term "I" in Gman's post to mean he owned the vehicle, the home and the freezer the fish were in.

I interpret "we" and "our" as plural. Ambiguous? Yes. But I disagree that it appears he kept more than his possession limit. If there were 3 family members, or 4 then he was not over his possesion limit. (12 socks and 3 springs for 3 people would be the possesion limit) 15 fish!

Hi DanS! Are you part of a Board clique too?

Aunty M...
What is a board clique???

Board clique

Just teasing 4Salt a little.

Of course I knew that's how you'd interpret it Aunty, could I expect anything less? :p

Speaking of interpretations, I'll remove any ambiguity, and spell it out:

Personally, if G-Man wants to keep more than his limit OR NOT, that would be between him and the DFO.

I responded to Dan only because I could see where the others could get the wrong idea about G-Man's post. I didn't understand why Dan responded in the manner that he did. Now I do. No accusations towards G-Man on my part. Just trying to have a little fun with DanS. (Man it sure seems to get me in trouble, especially with Aunty. )

Speaking of ambiguity, this: must not mean what I thought it did.

p.s. Did the term "Board clique" hit a nerve with you Aunty?

Board Clique?

Did any of you Piscatorially Correct in your face idiots notice that G-MAN lives less than fifty miles from where he was fishing?

Possession limit? Duuhhh...

Why spend an hour on the road when it could be so much more fun to sleep in your car for a few days?

Edit - PS: No! No! No! Please don't repromand me for being obtuse.

Hit a nerve 4Salt? Nope... I thought I was just being a smart a$$ like I normally am. :p

Uhoh... be careful Plunk, you too could wind up being in some board clique!

I only said something for one reason.

The BB's seem to be a place where everyone hangs out like a bunch of vultures and waits for someone to say or show something and then pounce on them if there is ANY chance something less-than-savory is going on.

Remember the "Snagged fish on the cover" thread, and the "Tony D. Suspended from STS" thread?

Why do we always assume that someone is doing something wrong?

What I find objectionable is that when such fisheries are allowed flossing becomes an accepted method which it should not be. As I stated no true sportsman would do it PERIOD thats it. What makes it worse is that people learn how to do it then think it's ok anytime that the fish won't bite and flossing spreads hell i ain't gonna callit flossing anymore it's snagging. next thing you know you have peole saying it's ok to fish for steelhead on a redd because they won't bite any other way. Frankly i don't care if I am called a pureist. I don't care if people are offended by someone pointing out that what they are doing is wrong.
There used to be a legal snag fishery on the Washougal for fall chinook. People came from all over the world to participate in it. Even though it was only open to seniors and people with disabilities. pretty soon there were people all over the river snagging only they didn't stop with fall chinook, they also snagged coho, and wild steelhead. These people were the absolute scum of the earth. There was more litter generated from that fishery than from the MX Nationals which brings in 20.000 people.

These types of fisheries are always horrible and should not be allowed anywhere on the planet for any reason PERIOD! OK call me a closed minded ******* but quite frankly i'd rather be right than popular...

courtesy of PLUNKER.

Definition of obtuse..(the second time I've seen that word used most recently) "not sharp or quick of wit"
Your description of yourself Plunk??
.

Are we done yet?????

What do you think about being neither?

Dan, you must be a framer because you hit that nail squarely on the head.

Dan, that's the funniest thing I've read in awhile.

Both

Spot on.

When G first started this thread I was wondering how long it would take for the sparks to fly.

I to felt that G's wording may have left him standing knee deep in the shiat...at least as far as perspective. Since we did not see G last weekend I assumed that in his excitement perhaps it was more a matter of verbiage.

Explain yourself G and put this one to bed!

RA3...I believe the politically correct term in Rome is "bouncing"!

42,000 visible "bouncers" on the Fraser of which 99% are honest hard working folks like you or I and we are all going to hell for flossing? :rolleyes:

What about 42,000 rabid pro sports fans packed into a stadium? Are they also going to the same hell for supporting all that is unethical about pro sports in America's?

Only a hypocrite would have two seperate answers.

FJ...out.

"What do you think about being neither?" LMAO! (my belly hurts)

Are you flossing us Dan? - That line has teeth and is an easy drift to catch.

Posh II - "not sharp or quick of wit"

I like it. Good definition. Learning can be fun.

Here's a couple more:
"Lacking quickness of perception or intellect."
"Not having acute sensibility or perceptions"

Obtuse - (synonyms)
Dull-witted, dense, stupid, undiscerning, insensitive, ignorant, dumb, dense, imperceptive, insensible, doltish, feeble-witted, hasty, headlong, uncontrolled, rash, unreasonable, irrational, blind, benighted, pedestrian, backward, prosaic, slow, inarticulate, blind impercipient, shallow, unrefined, incognizant, insipid, boring, tedious, vapid, tiresome, pointless, humdrum and blunt.

Another more applicable definition for obtuse:
"Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity: an obtuse remark."

Question? Is there a difference between:
a) drifting a beaded hook on a twelve-foot leader perpendicular to and with the current (and)
b) drifting a sparsely dressed fly on a twelve-foot leader perpendicular to and with the current?

Is either ethical?
Is one or the other or both snagging?

Oh! Oh! Gotta run! Here come the thought police. Better close my mind.

Bye Now!

I was hoping not to get too caught up in this.

The Canadians can set their own rules......they're their fish to manage. That doesn't mean I have to agree with all their seasons, or bag limits, but it does mean that the participants SHOULD NOT be lumped together with the flossers down here who are doing something ILLEGAL. There IS a difference.

If you want to bring morality into it, go right ahead, but that is for an individual and/or society to determine whether or not an act is moral. We all have our lines we draw in terms of what's morally acceptable to us. I probably wouldn't call a Gamie on a dude if I saw him, say snagging silvers on the Quilcene. If I saw a guy poaching a native steelhead or a King on the Satsop this year, I would call a Gamie. There's my line.

Rob, your morals aren't the same as everyone else's and you'd be more apt to change people's compasses around by stating your point of view "flossers aren't much of a sportsman" without spazzing out about it. Of course you're welcome to butt heads if you choose, but that won't help the fish much.......

OK, is now when I say "PERIOD" ?

Well, I guess I kinda biased here as I spend my summers in a place where countless thousands of people harvest hundreds of thousands sockeye. 99% of which are harvested one of three ways: one, by flossing, two, by personal use dipnetting, and three, by personal use gillnetting at the mouth of the river.

Guess which way I prefer to fish them(although I don't claim residency anyhow to have the option to net)????

The way I look at things: if the fish don't bite period, floss 'em. Sure it's glorified snagging, but it still takes the knack to do it correctly so that you're hooking them in the mouth. If it's a fish that normally bites, then I say "no" to flossing. That's part of "fishing"

Weird way of looking at it? Perhaps, but knowing that perhaps 1 out a few thousand sockeye bite (there's been 225,000 + return to the Kasilof this year and we've caught FOUR with traditional methods) ... I can live with it.

Besides, who can resist it when this is what the fishery is all about??

Sockeye Lining Movie - 5.46 meg download

Sockeye Lining Movie - lower quality movie - 3.34 meg download

I think Fishgal's giggle says it all

Play nice eveyone

I wonder why bare red hooks behind a dodger, which sockeye definately bite in Lake Washington, don't seem to work in other freshwater situations. I assume it's been tried...

So G-Man, how big is your family? I find it hard to believe you haven't seen this post yet...

Slab Q
Thats a great question. On the Oly Pen they will take a sand shrimp. My friend who fishes L WA says he's tried but they won't take a shrimp there for him. He says they won't take a red hook on the Pen either. I have tried both on the Kenai without success, I have to wonder what the heck is up with these fish? Part of their Union Contract? :rolleyes:

Sockeye do bite in freshwater. The first time I intentionally targeted sockeye was before there was rentention by sporties allowed on the Fraser. Having never heard of flossing at this point I used a three foot leader and caught one fish after another. I continue to use a three or four foot leader and continue to catch fish consistently. I've caught sockeye on both fly (using a short tippet) and using marabou jigs on other systems. Of course my buddies say that the only reason I fish with short leaders is that I'm too cheap to tie longer ones.

I have fished up in Alaska and I can tell you Flossing is hard. I must suck at it because it is not as easy as every one makes it out. (at least not for me) I guess I need more practice,next time I head North.

Sorry guys and gals about taking a couple of days off the computer but I've been really "DOPED" up these last few days because someone left a net submerged FULL OF DEAD FISH in the river.

It's really amusing reading all the Flame Posts because they are from people who don't even know me
I kinda of enjoyed them. I like it when people "ASS-U-ME" We know what assume means don't we? Why do some of you assume I was alone? Why not assume it was a typo like some of the others that know me did?

I'm self employed and alot of my friends are also. So I always have people to go with. Me and FJ are Un-Employable. Shane, my 10 year old son, is "ALWAYS" with me when the boat leaves.
I'm alittle upset with him right now because he out fished me the last 2 days Little boogger!

I figure the DOF in Canada does the same as our WDFW here in washington does to poachers "TAKE THEIR BOATS!!!"

Do you all think I would trade my Jet Boat and a F250 powerstroke 4x4 for some sockeye?

The daily limit is 2 sockeye and 1 king per person.

Friday morn, after "we" were DONE fishing, and after the accident I left my boat, truck and trailer at the Jesperson boat launch.(With some Canadians, I didn't even know). Was I worried? Nope, Because we only had only 4 sockeye. 2 for me and 2 for Shane.

Thank you FJ, I should ALWAYS "proof read" before I post, my mistake.

Friday, Monday, Tuesday and Thursday. OOPS! Ok, I can't "count" days, nor can I "drive" over submerged nets. It must be a "Country Thing"

"MY BOAT" Sorry, "I", it's a "Male Possession" thing.

I've never been "Flamed" before, It was kinda cool! Thanks A

Man Dan, that was sweet

Cool G-Man! Lot of stone casting in this thread...any apologies forthcoming? I should hope so! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Gooose, come on. You don't think a Purist would say sorry for anything do you?
I'm not holding my breath. _____ AuntyM, could you please insert a smiley holding his breath here?
Thanks, GEE

No apology from me cause i did nothing wrong... I guess purist just means ethical now.
I am getting tired of all this reletivism. Some things are just unethical such things never have a time and place where they are ethical. Snagging is one of thoes things. It is always wrong even where it is legal. Frankly i think it's stupid to lower our expectations of sportsmen to the lowest common denominator. There is no difference between ripping chinooks in the back with a trebel wrapped with lead than drifting a lure into a pool so full of fish you can't help but snag one. No difference at all.. There is no difference between flossing sockeyes than there is snagging a wild steelhead off a redd. Also no difference in the "fly anglers" who often floss coho on the Kalama. legal or not enforced or not it is wrong to fish knowing that the fish are not volentarily eating your lure or bait. That is snagging and snagging is always wrong Period that is the way it is. make all the exuses you want but you cannot change the truth..

If your up on the frasier snagging sockeye then do not dare say a word when you see some yahoo snagging a wild steelhead off a redd in thr sol duc the stilly the Skagit or any other river.. There is no difference!

I just read this thread for the first time. I met G Man at the Columbia Flotilla this spring gunnel to gunnel.(Team Sneakin' Out) My crew will agree that he seemed like a genuinely nice guy and really hoped that he would do well. He seemed to be the type to really earn and deserve his rewards (he travelled a ways too). As I read this thread I kept thinking to myself that there must be a mistake or maybe he made a mistake (I had even forgiven him). Why wasn't he responding? Alas, an explanation. Whew. I am going out of my way to shake his hand the next time. I am also going to tell my crew of the further adventures of G Man.

Yep, Rob, and shoplifting is capital murder too, right? :rolleyes:

I figured as much from you, though. I won't waste my time responding to your drivel any more.

Poor RA3, The world is full of people who believe the way they think is the way it is for everybody when in reality[mine of course] the way they think is how it is for them and only them. We have laws and rules for a reason, if it makes you angry that your superior ways are not supported by law, you might have some people [ WTO ] who a couple of years ago invaded Seattle and created quite a scene ,they thought their thoughts should be the law.

RA3,
Have you thought of registering your views as a religion? I think there may be tax benefits available for your commune of zealots.

As they say..."Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all full here"

Sorry G, that's the only one I have that is similar, but it still fits.

RA3:

"If your