Who will be Washington state's next governor?

Hopefully not another friggin Demo. They just keep screwing us Washintonians over. Grid Locke hasn't done squat for us (or the past ones either). Here's to a good changing of the gard!

Sportsfolks need change. We're tired of all the crap they pull. We want results!

it will be who ever king county votes for they run the state

And King County is full of liberal morons.

No matter who the Republicans get to run, one of the three mentioned in the poll will be our next governor.

We have the nations highest unemployment, 2nd worst traffic congestion and we are in debt . I say vota his ass out and clean house on the city council .

Hopfully not a republican !!!!
They are the ones who have supported commercial fishing and timber over harvest !!!
So put that in your pipe and smoke it you Dum Phucks!!!
Peace and I'm Out

I hereby nominate: SUPERFLY

You gotta admit, he does have a way with words.

I'm not sure about the Timber issue, but it is because of Democrats that the fishery is in the sad state it is in. Every piss poor director of fish and wildlife we've had for the last 10+ years have been appointed by democrat governers. The tribes have the democrats in their hip pocket. Last election democrat candidates recieved nearly $7 million from the tribes. It is Republicans who support measures to take nets out. John Carlson wanted to remove nets, not Locke. Republicans supported I-695, not Democrats.

Superfly...... Right on, Bro! I'm with you.
Jacob F...... Damn right the Democrats didn't support I-695. You talk about I-695 like it was a good thing, but for those of us who make our livings from heavy construction, I-695 was the Baine of our industry. Yeah, sure we get cheaper car tabs now, but at what cost? Because of the revenue shortage that I-695 created, the State isn't doing a lot of the heavy highway jobs that they were supposed to do. Because of the lack of money to fund these projects, there isn't as much work to go around, and a lot of the jobs that are getting done are being done by the cheaper, out of state, scab construction companies. I dont usually get involved in political discussions, and I am by no means an expert on the subject, all I know is that because of I-695, my family and the families of other men and women in my craft are having to do without.

Superfly you are typical of the liberal morons. Not thinking or taking the time to educate yourself. When was the last time this state had a republican governor????? Not in either of our lifetime. For you to say the republicans had much to do with the over harvest of trees or fish is idiotic. Booth Garderor had heavy ties to Warehauser (by the way he was a D). The only reason logging in this state was curtailed was because of the spotted owl issue and restrictions the Federal government slapped them. All of the D Governors we had didn't have the huevos to stand up to warehauser or the commercial fishermen. Why because they were and still are taking campaign contributions from those jerks. Oh by the way the D's take a ton of money from the tribes too. Yeah lets keep these ineffective guys running the show. Good thinking!!!

Oh by the way Zozo I695 passed by a landslide and the D's in this state greatly outnumber the R's here. A bunch of them must have supported it. Once again typical of the D's, misinform, and villify the R's and hope people will think you are telling the truth. Nice Try. This state collects plenty in taxes. If they cut the beaurocracy and streamlined processed, and would quit running manufacturers out of the state we would be more than fine.

Vic,

You are OBVIOUSLY a passionate conservative. C'mon though, If you honestly think that all of our woes would be solved by a republican governor and legislature, well, I've got some waterfront property in Arizona you'd probably be interested in.

Both parties ARE EQUALLY BAD! It's the nature of politics and human behavior. Take a politician (any party), put him/her in office, innundate them with perks, "contributions", and entitlements and what do you have? The "morons" as you put it, that make our decisions, and cause our grief.

Party ideaology is all fine and well, but the philosophies of pure conservatism or liberalism in the real world, are lost in a sea of greed and corruption.

Anybody know who the green party candidate is going to be...

You are right I am a passionate about my politics. I am probably a little idealistic in believing that there are still good people involved with politics, but I do. If you look a little harder at what the parties are saying and compare that to what is actually being done then it is difficult to take the D's in this state seriously.

For example Governor Locke campaigned on increasing teacher salaries. This year we had 3 school districts go on strike and 3 others that almost did over pay. California school districts have job fairs in Seattle and lure our teachers out of state. Governor Locke said that his second priority after Education and teacher raises was transportation. We all know what a mess that is. He also yabbered about wanting to lure new companies to the state and create new manufacturing jobs here while he and his yocals are putting such a strangle hold on Boeing that they had to move.

You tell me is it time to make a change or not

Fyi we had one R Governor since 1957.

Vic, I guess old Slade must have been a demo...lol.
Who's puppet was he? Timber, mining, commercial fishing, etc etc.

I have mixed feelings where Slade is concerned. He did alot to help us sportsman and just as much to hurt us. But if you think you are better off with Maria Cantwell in his place then think again. Slade was a very senior Senator with alot of influence and Maria is a first term nuttball. Lets not forget that she lied to us right out of the gate by saying that she was going to pay for her own campaign so she wouldn't have the special interest groups in her pockets. As soon as the election was over she allowed these groups to "Repay" her for her campaign. Nice

Yes Vic, I agree wholeheartedly. The "State" of affairs here in Washington is definitely grim. My main point was that spouting either parties well-used rhetoric, and blaming our situation strictly on "Party ideaology", and not the individual politicians is a tad unrealistic.

Hey, you and I appear to be neighbors as well. Maybe we could listen to some Bob Dylan records and watch Barbra Streisand quote Shakespeare sometime.

p.s. Or at least go fishing.

p.p.s. As far as Maria Cantwell goes, Yes she promised to fund her campaign privately. But that was before GWB got in, the market tanked and her Real Networks stock became worthless (read: she's BROKE) Nothing wrong with playing on the same field as EVERY OTHER POLITICIAN out there.

The problem with the politics in this state is that there is no balance. The D's have too much power and continue to do what ever they want.

I would love to go fishing, but if you pop in Dylan or old babs on the way up I might have to jump out of the truck. I hope you don't drive very fast!

None of the above!

To tell the truth, I'm sick of party politics all together and may well vote independent just for change. I've been on this earth long enough now (37 years) to see that party bickering has acomplished little in the way of productivity here or in the nation. I'm sick of the whole process and am tired of good ideas from both parties getting canceled "because it came from the republicans/democrats". This is juvenile and only results in a lot of wasted tax money.

As I recall a democratic Govenor appointed Berne Shanks to chair theWDFW comission. Tet because he wanted to actually do something about our fish woes he was run out of town by the legislators of the state. It is clear what the problems are in this state and not just with fisheries the problem is NOT democrats or republicans. It is guys who are completely clueless trying to run the show and their single most desire to have money come into the state while sacrificing EVERYTHING ELSE! A couple years ago when we passed that 30 dollar license tabs inniative i think it was pretty clear that the people of Washington state what the state to do a better job with less money. Every state agency has plenty of money to perform all their assigned tasks the problem is that they spend the money in the wrong ways. Frankly it doesn't matter a hill of beans who is the next govenor. He/she will not be looking out for the interests of the people of WA anyway. The biggest problem is that we the Washington state public are comfortable enough that we don't revolt against them.. We have a representative form of government. If the government does not represent up well that our own fault cause we are the ones who put them there. A lot of people say they are fed up but they really aren't. If they truly were they'd be doing something about it. Sad but true.

Try and learn as much as you can about the candidates and what they stand for regardless of the party.... and vote accordingly.

I can tell you one thing, John Carlson was not going to remove any nets,at least not any tribal nets. The governer can't do it. Will have to be done by the fed's.

4salt. you disappoint me. Blaming the stock market plunge on GWB, that is the epitome of liberal rhetoric. Man I almost agreed with you on a couple of points. I was working as a technical recruiter (aka. headhunter specializing in placing techies) and the Tech slow down started before GWB was even elected. I know, recruiting was the first thing the tech companies cut out of their budgets (i.e. no paycheck for me). The price of tech stocks were so far inflated based on what might happen instead of sound business right now. It was only time before that balloon burst. Speaking of sound business, you don't really believe that Enron, Worldcom and others started their unethical accounting practices when GWB took office. If you do "I have some beachfront property for you in Arizona to sell you". Those are the reasons that the stock market has tanked not because of GWB.

As far as Maria is concerned, I look at what they say and compare it to what they do. She flat out lied!!! How many votes do you think she got from people who wanted a candidate that is free from special interest groups. I am sure it was enough to put her in power. That was one of the tightest elections in Washington history. But as it is with liberals it is OK to lie because nobody will hold you accountable for it, let alone notice.

One of the reasons the fishing issues languish in Washington State is because fishermen are so non-political and don't want to get involved or hear about all the politics it takes to push an agenda forward. As a group, the fishermen and women in Washington could and should have alot more power than we do. Unfortunately *****ing only attracts more *****ing and gets very few real results. The governor, Gary Locke, doesn't do fishing. He does have alot to do with fishing by appointing the Fish and Wildlife commissioners who are mostly commercial fishing biased. He has his fishing czar, Curt Smitch, who has done for sportsfishing what Osama Bin Laden did for high rises. Then there's Maria Cantwell who did, in fact, lie about her campaign finances. She "LOANED" her campaign the millions...she didn't spend her own money to be free of undo political influence. Bill Clinton and the Democratic machine has assisted her in raising millions to pay herself back. The money was solicited and collected from special interests. Patty Murray?? She is like Howdy Doody with Bill Clinton as Buffalo Bob..pull her string and she says whatever the Democratic party line is that day..totally devoid of her own ideas. And then there is Jim McDermott...I think he thinks he is still in the 60's and Timothy Leary is still alive ..He HAS to be on LSD. All of these politicians put together have only done harm to our state in my opinion when it comes to our sport...fishing. So as we ***** and dink around the tribes are getting stronger and stronger with lots of gambling cash and lots of high paid political clout in the form of lobbyists and lawyers in Washington DC. And by the way Bern Shanks was the director of WDFW, not a commissioner. He was on our side. I saw that while working on the Wild Salmonid Policy. He was run out of town on a rail by your Democratic heroes for showing too much bias to sports fishing and for not towing the party line which is to hide behind closed doors and screw all of us over for political gain. So vote for whomever turns your crank but stop *****ing about that big Democratic ramrod up your ass and do something about it.

SUPERFLY FOR GOV !!! YA GOT MY VOTE!!!


Cigar

WOW...I didn't realize this board automatically censors certain emotive words like "*****ing"...that would be a synonym for complaining....the word ASS is ok though. HUH???Must be a Democrat running this thing.

grandpa you crack me up, and your message is solid!!! But don't pick on the people who run the board for trying to be sensative to the younger folks that come here. After all calling someone a Democrat is about like calling them a ***********

I read the above, and I have to launch into a cross party rant. I am sick and f'ing tired of people who rant about the liberals or the conservatives or the democrats or the republicans. It's just plain intellectually lazy and ignorant. It is easy to find good things that have been done by members of each party, as it is to find things that we disagree with. All you have to do is open your eyes and your mind.

Have you ever taken a step back and thought that maybe, just maybe, the other guy considers himself to be just as honest and upright as you do? That maybe, from his perspective, and from the fact set that has been given to him, that his conclusions are correct, just as, from your perspective, and from the facts you have, yours is right?

Could it possibly be that if we quit calling each other names, and agreed to actually look at data, we could quit arguing start discussing, and improve the country? Or is it just more fun to call each other names like a bunch of squabbling teen age girls?

By the way, that crack about Bob being a democrat because he has taken steps to keep this board a family style place was incredibly low class. I guess one of the downsides of the internet becoming widely available is that all sorts of stupid people will start using it. You moron, Bob is your host, and you just defecated in his living room. Maybe that's considered polite behavior in your trailer, but the rest of us are simply marveling that you are able to pass as a human.

And, by the way, I am a registered republican, but have voted for candidates of either persuasion in recent years. I am even-handed in my disdain for politicans, I think they are all corrupted by the system. The republicans have lost the sense of fiscal responsibility that made me want to join the party, but the democrats haven't found it, so I'm reluctant to change. If the Libertarians ever develop any chance of winning, that's where you'll see me looking.

Whoops, thanks for the correction. I meant I-696, the Ban All Nets innititive. Democrats were against that while it was supported by most Republicans.

This thread is a crack! Maybe the reason that fishermen can't get the representation they want is because fishermen are woefully ignorant when it comes to politics. One Republican governor since 1957? Try Dan Evans, 65-77; and John Spellman, 81-85. Slade Gorton was state Attorney General and then a U.S. Senator in case anyone thought he was once our governor.

Bern Shanks was appointed by the WDFW Commission after the old WDF and WDW (formerly WDG) were merged. The governor always appointed the WDF director. The wildlife commission appointed the WDW(G) director, except during part of the term of Booth Gardner, when he appointed Curt Smitch as director of WDW. After the merger, voters decided by initiative that the director of the merged agency would be appointed by the fish and wildlife commission. They've appointed Bern Shanks and then Jeff Kaenings. Bern's heart was in the right place for fish conservation. Unfortunately, he was a lousy manager, having lost track of millions of dollars of the department budget. That made it easy for the legislature that didn't like his conservation policies to insist that the commission get rid of him.

It seems like guys here who have basic political facts bass ackwards think maybe they could do a better job in politics and running government. Gotta' admit, there's entertainment in this thread. But not much information. Yeah, I suspect you just want to rant and don't expect the hot air to ever really do anything constructive. If so, you're right. It won't. So have your fun.

Oh, and timber policies in WA state have never been in the control of either political party. The timber industry controlled the policy. They wrote the first forest practices act in 1973 (there were no significant forest regs before that). 1988 was the first time anyone else began to influence state forest practices. Of course, over 90% of the old growth was gone by then.

Sorry for any bashing, but you guys know it's my nature to replace fallacy with fact when I can.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Vic, For the record, I am not a Liberal per say, and as I stated before, I'm not really into polotics that much. Government in general disgusts me, if you really want to know the truth. I am however, a Union Operating Engineer (local 612) and as such, my vote usually goes to the Democrat side because Democrats are typically more Labor friendly than Republicans are..... That's all.

silver hilton

You crack me up! All upset that I have somehow dissed Bob by making a little joke about censoring the word ***** but leaving in the word ass??? Then you go on to call me stupid? Imply that I must live in a trailer??? Come on now...Then I got to the end of your rant and I think you said you were a Libertarian....case closed.

Oh I almost forgot..silver hilton

You were whinig about not calling each other names right before calling me a moron??? I think you just made a case against yourself.

Grandpa,

You're right, I should not have called you a moron. I apologise.

I glad this thread was just about this state. If it was Nation wide I would have a lot to say. But since it isn't I will keep my big mouth shut.

No matter who they put in there half of you people will not like him/her.

I guess that I'm still pissed about that other IDiOT they have in the White House.

Hey old man where do you get off calling the Pres an idiot. Why would you call him that?

Vic,
His father was an idiot...and the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Hey Grandpa

Not to change the subject but when I looked into your background and the Puget Sound Anglers I came across this:

http://www.cnw.com/~katwood/issues/reports/new_controversy_part_1.html

Who was this commercial idiot?
And what was it about?

Hey Craven! I knew you were ok when I ran into you on the river last week! I gotta agree with you, I'm not a huge fan of Bushy either.... I mean, I dont hate the guy or anything, I just dont think we'll be seeing him on the television accepting the Nobel Science prize anytime real soon. Ah hell, I guess when it comes to polotics, its a "pick your poison" type thing. Who do you you want running our country..... The choices aren't really all that great. You can have a President like Bushy (not real smart, Has everything he has because of who his father was, his loyalties lie with big business, etc, etc.) Or you can have some Democrat running the country who is too busy pretending to be Ron Jeremy to concentrate on such trivial things as Domestic terrorism and stuff like that. Yeah, Politics suck! That's why I fish. I spend all my time thinking about the next fish I'm going to kill and not about things like The United State's invovlment in the Middle East, Or Bushy's foriegn policies, or why the French always bend over and spread em everytime another country wants to take them over (can't stand the French). So anyway, let's stop arguing about politics and start arguing about fishing, and snagging, and lining, and netting, and talking about Zipperlip rivers on the board, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Hey Vic did you hear this on CNN the other day?
May be thats why he called him an idiot.

He was trying to quote this old saying and he screwed it all up. I think almost every Jr. high kids knows the quote.

Original :

" Fool me once shame on you Fool me twice shame on me".

Bush said :

"Fool me once ..ahaha ah ha
Oh waite! fool me once shame on me fool me again don't be fooled again"

POS Clerk:

Wow I couldn't believe that you found that website with my 1998 dialogue with the gill netter. I had no idea he posted it on their site. My paper titled: "Where Have All the Salmon Gone" was my own original letter that I used in testimony before the Fish and Wildlife commission in Olympia during the Wild Salmonid Policy hearings. I basically told this commercial fisherman that the gillnetters had stolen my title and twisted it around to their point of view which was tha gill netting was an essential part of our food chain as if we would all starve without gill netters. We argued back and forth and reading it all over again after 4 years was funny. Thanks for posting it. If we had that same dialogue today I could have pointed out the fish farms as the most efficient way to feed the world with fish..WOW would that have gotten his blood running. Thanks again for posting the website...get the nets out!!!

Well guys I am the first to admit GWB isn't the orator that his predacessor was, but we aren't going to have to worry about him giving all of our military advantages to the chinese either, or renting out the Whitehouse or pardoning drug dealors, or taking FBI files that he isn't supposed to have access to or...(I could go on and on and on. but I'll spare you)

Maybe we would be better off with the other daddy's boy in the last election. HMMM GWB who graduated from Harvard then went on to get his MBA, or Al Gore who flunked out of Princeton, went on to get his bachelors at a lessor college then flunked out of Law school. HMMM, I guess that Al is alright because he invented the internet that allows us to have this conversation.

Need to remind you Vic, Bush got a gentlemans Degree.

He was given 2 profitable business , and drove them into the ground.
I as a republican could not vote for this guy.
Talk about work ethics, at the 4oo day mark in office he had been on vacation for more then he had been at work.

Please explain to me what a "Gentlemans Degree" is. Maybe I am a little dense, but I have never heard that term before. I always thought a Bachelors was a Bachelors and a Masters was a Masters. I just visited the Pres's web site and it says he got his bachelors at Yale and his MBA at Harvard. It doesn't mention anything about a gentlemans degree. Hmmm interesting.

As far as work ethic goes if you really believe that the President of the United States, (no matter who he is, or what party) gets a real vacation, then think again. They are on the job 24x7 for 4 years. Besides you are trying to tell me that for 201 days out of 400 that he was on vacation. So for 6 and a half month out of 13 the Pres was on vacation. Sorry not buyin it.

P.S. I just visited Yale, and Harvard's web sites and I can't find any info on a "Gentlemans Degree" there either.

Vic, let me start off with the vacation.

This fact was not made by me. It was posted in the New york time( Sept. 5th or 6th of 2002) and CNN. I am not saying these media are 100% (most of the time there is some discrepency).

As I understand it;

A gentlemens degree is often refered to as some one who get in or gets something because of who he is not what he accompishes.
His father contributed quiet bit of money and had significant influence at that school. I can bet if you had grades like hes ( you would not be welcomed). I dont think you will find any negitives about him on the Pres web site.

In his profile , he mentions he is or WAS owner of an Oil/Gas company.

What he does not mention is how succesful the company was till he was in charge. You can read about that in the Business journal and the Wallstreet Archives, along with the SEC filings. These are all public records .

Some of the things you mentioned about his predacessor are true but I am sure GWB has many other dealing that we as public are not aware of yet.

Any way, you take the good and the bad.

I don't care what the New York Times says. I try and pay attention what happens in the government, as much as possible. Sometimes I confuse my facts, sometimes I am flat out wrong. As far as the president taking 6 months off, it just pain hasn't happened.

As far as the Pres running a couple of companies into the ground (he didn't run the Texas Rangers in the ground did he?). That may have happened, at least he has that expereince in the real world to draw from. Gore and Clinton never had jobs in the private sector, so all of their experience is based on theory. Before you chime in and say "but the economy was great while those guys were running the country" Let me remind you that Enron, Worldcom, Golbal Crossing and others were doing their hocus pocus act on the books overstating their earnings and lying to their investors while those guys were in office too. Which has contributed greatly to the lack of confidence that investors are showing in the stock market now.

So I take it you can't find a deffination for "Gentlemans Degree" . Maybe his father got him to Yale or Harvard who knows, the fact still remains that Bush has his masters. His father didn't make the grades for him. FYI Bush was also a fighter pilot, and they don't let dummies be fighter pilots. Al Gore who's father was just as influential flunked out of Princeton and never got a higher degree.

Funny how you don't care what The York Times says, but I bet you hang on every word Rush Limbaugh says....now there is a true journalistic champion for your Republican views.

Hmmm.....

I used to think that the common man's ignorance about politics and the political process was funny...then I realized that the more ignorant and vociferous they were, the much more likely it was that they'd actually go out and vote along their misguided beliefs.

Anyway...that was my little rant for the day.

Oh, yeah, by the way, whoever was crying about Skeletor being de-elected wasn't likely complaining when our E. Wash. brothers voted out the Speaker of the House to install George Numbernutt, who then turned into an absolute, undeniable, no question about it,...(insert drum roll here)... liar! (e.g., do a search on the internet, put in "George Nethercutt" and "term limit". Toss in "lying sack" and "no integrity" if you want to reduce the number of hits from 43 million to 42 million).

No one in state government is any Indian tribe's pocket. The tribes don't need them...the state cannnot regulate anything the tribes do, except in extreme circumstances, and they do when those come up.

If you couldn't guess, I generally vote for democrats. I also voted for B.A.N., and spent hours distributing signs that I picked up from their Renton office the week before the vote. Maybe I was just their token democrat...but a few of the GOP supporters I talked to then didn't want "them d@mn Injuns gettin' all the fish", so didn't want to vote for it.

Brilliant.

I'm always impressed by the amount of legal knowledge that comes from salmon fishing for 35 years and not liking Indian netting. To think, I sure wasted a lot of money for college and law school...all I had to do was go fishing and I'd have known it all.

You can't really blame resource exploitation on either party, at least not directly (in our state, G-Dub is definitely doing it on a federal level, as did Slade). Regulations have been written in the main by the exploiters themselves. Do you really think that the average representative has time to write a 200 page regulation packet regarding the technical aspects of extracting coal from 200 feet down in the ground? Do you think they hire consultants?

Here's a really simple way to see how it all happens:

Follow the money.

Who benefits from this regulation? Who wrote it? There's your culprit.

Then...see who that culprit donated a bag 'o bucks to during the last election. That's the kind of info you want when you head into the booth.

Fish on...

Todd.

P.S. I doubt that G-Dub is an idiot, but he's likely not a Rhodes Scholar, either, and I doubt that his Daddy ever had "My son is an honor student at such-and-such school" bumper stickers on his truck. He certainly isn't very quick, but that doesn't make him stupid. Just slow. If he's well-prepared and has a speech to read, he's actually pretty good. He'd look a lot smarter, though, if he'd never speak publicly without a prepared speech, as his "thinking on his feet skills" are incredibly undeveloped.

Craven:

Don't be stupid. We all watch the news, read the paper, and listen to the radio. If The Pres had been on vacation for 61/2 month out of 13 I think I would have noticed. Even if he was (which he was not) if you are the Pres no matter what your party affiliation you are on the job 24x7 for 4 years even if you aren't at the Whitehouse.

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Hey! Let's talk about a friendly topic, like ABORTION. Just kidding.

Had to do it;

Vic,
You are such the political watchdog....grrr

Craven:

3 lame attempts. Is that all the better you can do? According to Todd and Salmo we are pitching softballs and you can't even hit them. Come on take another hack. this time try and come up with something good.

Yo Vic,

Sorry to re-enter the fray so late, but I thought I'd clear a couple of things up for you.

I don't blame the stock market disaster on GWB, that was a touch of liberal humor from one who doesn't claim to be a liberal. Obviously the unbelievably over-valued market was due for a major correction. This was exascerbated by the events of 9/11. Investor confidence is shot for the moment and probably not likely to get much better in the near future. Retail sales statistics for the up-coming Christmas season will probably be as grim as they were in the inflation-ravaged late 70's.

I'm not a staunch Maria Cantwell supporter either, but c'mon, name me ONE politician who DOESN'T accept special interest money. It's the way the game of politics here in America is played, whether we like it or not.

p.s. Instead of listening to Babs quote Shakespeare, let's catch Bill Maher's standup comedy act sometime. Maybe a double bill with Dennis Miller.

I would definateley run , but I don't think the general public and politics is quite ready for someone like myself because I standup for what I believe in, I won't go away quietly and I don't play the good ol' boy games, well maybe one, I might get caught at the local [Bleeeeep!] bar hookin up with some young thing. Anyways I would have to work on My vocabulary and not let my emotions show in topics such as fish. WE definateley need a real candidate in this state because both sides suck!!! and Yes GW is a total idiot and you are an idiot if you think is he is alright. I actually feel sorry for the guy because I think he was pushed into running for the Job.
And yes I would date his daughters, Both of them
Peace Superfly