whoa...cool Kingy. didnt know all that Ismael and Issacc stuff. Gonna have to look into that.

After some brief research i gotta say....

Oh man, that Issac and Ishmael schtick is some whacky goofball stuff. If they're realy pissed about something like that, we should just get it over with and nuke em now, save us the 'tweener years of dealing with lunatics.

I have just lurked around for quit a while. Hate to make this my first post. I hope that you are just poking fun if not you should be ashamed of your self. If you are going to make alligations about any one make DAMN sure you have facts to back it up or you are just what you are standing in! The facts that you stated are about as good as Michael moores facts. Give it up man guys like you will never make a difference because no one in there right mind is going to by into it!

Well, since you're new here and obviously don't know how to play our little game (although it seems you've read up on the Cheney School of Debate), here's what you need to do: if you don't think the above posted has any merit or is not fact based, then please by all means post your facts to refute it. Otherwise you're just what you're standing in (whatever that means). And please make your arguments better than bush and Cheney; no one's buying those anymore.

Careful Jeremy --- Bunch of lefties in here. Problem is most of em can string together a complete thought. Fun to watch the debates though. Step in at the wrong time and nobody can be resposible for the flaming you're likely to get in return.

VH did start a fire and run though --- where ya at?

I've been fishing with ........"TheMillionare".

Nah, just following the fishing side. I didn't think anybody would find much interest in my theory. So I guess I should respond to some questions that were thrown my way.

NZZL:
My theory has nothing to do with whether we should be in Iraq or not. It is about being LIED to by the POTUS. And why couldn't they keep this a secret? They've kept it secret who Cheny met in the White House for our national energy policy. Why couldn't they keep secret what happens in a cave 10,000 miles away?


THEKING:

What part of my logic seemed convoluted to you? I laid out a series of facts and observations. They pretty much tied themselves together to a solid conclusion.


JEREMY:

OReilly hasn't done you any favors. I'd suggest more NPR and less FOX NEWS.

Vhawk29 obviosuly strung so many together, you couldn't follow his analysis! :p

That's what "they" told Woodward and Bernstein.

V,

It's just another grand conspiracy theory from the left to paint Bush in a poor light. One can go out on the web and find support for any such endeavor. The truth lies in the fact that over the many many years people have been dreaming up these convoluted theories very few if any pass the test of time. Did you here the one about OBL and GW being gay lovers?

Or, it could be totally accurate. And then again, it may just be partially accurate. In any case, TK, YOU don't have any facts, or "PROOF" that vhawk is wrong. Conceptually, it's a very interesting concept and well written.

lets recap the past twenty five years or so:

Kennedy-pretty SURE Oswald didnt act alone . Most likely snuffed out by (Rep controlled)CIA. Anyone believe Oswald acted alone? Just a lone gunman a cooky commie? haha.

NIxon (Rep.)-Well we KNOW he tried to cover up the bugging of the dem national headquarters.

Reagan (Rep)-we are pretty SURE arms were traded for drugs to help finance the contras. Anyone care to defend that lil "conspiracy" theory?

Bush 2 (Rep.)-we KNOW there were no wmds.
and we are pretty SURE about the other lies. Time will bear out what lies arent covered up sufficiently, or maybe a senile old Bush 2 will take the stand and say like reagan did "Mommy? I cant remember."

I think the biggest Dem conspiracy you can point to is a blowjob from a chubby intern.
Coincidence all these totally evil plots are Rep generated? or maybe we liberals just like to pick in the poor ole honest and forthright GOP?

PS no one has to paint Bush in a bad light. Just examine his performance in ANY area of his presidency. Hell , just listen to him for two minutes. He paints himself up just fine in the idiots cloth.

Chives see even in your own example you are 50% wrong.

No proof just conspiracy on the Kennedy case. If it where true the only longer coverup has been Roswell

Reagan never ws a conspiracy theory and from day one their was direct evidence.

Nixons tent folded in short order and all the facts where know an proven in th epublic arena.

WMD, What the left consistantly leaves out is there where 10 reasons to go to war each one of them valid . Secondly indepandant review in both England and the US have concluded it was bad info and not an attempt to Lie, cheat or steal. Even your boy Billy Clinton said there was WMD in Iraq well into the invaison. He even said the Iraq war would last less than 2 weeks. Hate the guy all you want but at least get the facts straight.

TK,

So, find the facts to refute Vhawk's 9 points. Verifiable facts, not innuendo's of stupidity, like you usually pull around here!

Anyone else want to take up the challenge, go for it!

Nov. 2004 video of Bin ladens prior to the election. Verrified by almost every nation as being Bin Laden on the tape.

That's not even close to factual. They can not prove that tape was 100% Bin Laden and neither can you.

Nice try. :rolleyes:

Sure they can so much so that it will stand up in court as evidence. You need to look into voice print and related video technology. Almost as good a DNA technology.

No... YOU need to take your blinders off and realize this administration can fake everything they need to and most "intelligence officials" will turn a blind eye. Especially if they are "covert" and don't want their identities revealed.

:rolleyes:

You been watching too many movies

Again, I challenge you to refute Vhawk, point for point, or STFU.



Can't do it can ya?

I only need to refute one point to refute all of them. There is an accepted video showing that he is alive. So any and all of his points are moot. Except that it would make a great Tom clancy book.

TheKing:

First of all which "accepted" video are you referring to? And I challenge you to give me the name of the individual/s who will accept responsibility for authenticating it. 'intelligence officials' doesnt count either. Did you follow any of the links I gave? Did you get a chance to look at some stills from previously "authenticated" video? Is that the best our Intel can do for us?

Is the notion that Generallismo Busho is telling you lies to much for you to handle?

My theory does not rest on any single one of my points. It is not a web based conspiracy. Its a VHawk based conspiracy. Suspicions which hardened over time and with repeated news stories which didn't quite fit together. It would NOT be that hard to keep quiet. I sat in a ravine near Dodger Stadium back in May of 1992 for three days, with 1,600 other Army National Guard troops. The media was reporting that all the Guardsmen called up for the LA Riots had been sent home. The people in charge were worried that the riots would start up again as soon as we were gone, so they 'hid' us out in some ravine. They 'hid' 1,600 soldiers in uniform in Los Angeles. Nobody reported we were there. No reporters, and no media copter's ever bothered us. If those idiots can hide a battalion of troops in LA, they can make a body in a cave 10,000 miles away disappear.


If there was one single story reported in the mass media that completely convinced me it was the one regarding the Swiss research institute which tried to verify a audio tape that "unnamed US intelligence officials" were 100% sure was OBL. They came to the exact opposite conclusion.
Why don't you do your own Google research on that story? I'll provide this link again, but you can find numerous sources from credible news organizations. Swiss research group

Actually while searching for links to post on the board I found the follow up to that story which makes it even better. The Swiss were asked to verify another tape and they refused. The WH had no comment of course.